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[RedKing]

Bioware and RPG experts?
BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...HA!
I can believe that they make good stories and write pretty fine dialogue but seriously, RPG?
Mass effect was a failed attempt at doing something RPG-ish, they failed so hard that they had changed the sequel to a shooter instead of RPG.

Can I put this forth as 'proof' for the addendum in OP's statement, that Bioware anti-fanboys are about as rabid?


Or shall we put all this typecasting aside and keep it with the general statement:

Normal person + Anonimity + Audience = Total Fuckwad

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/

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THIS.

It goes back to the dawn of MMO's. I remember playing on the one PvP server that Asheron's Call had.

"Okay, new character. And I'm materializing....WHACK. And I'm dead. And now I'm respawning...WHACK and I'm dead again. Okay, this isn't fun. This is 6th grade gym class all over again."

Considering you lost one piece of equipment and took a Vitae penalty each time you died, I was pretty much naked and helplessly crippled within about five minutes. That was about all I needed to know that PvP was not for me.


Now, I really enjoyed the PvP battlegrounds in WoW, because it was an entirely different paradigm: you were going in knowing that you were going to be fighting, you had friends nearby, and the enemy couldn't show up en masse and assrape you repeatedly. It was more like a competitive sport than a gang beatdown.

PvP combat in the outside world just irritated me, because it was usuallly a lvl 60 night elf rogue who had nothing better to do than lay in wait in areas far below his level and one-shot people 30-40 levels below him, then literally dance on their corpse.

I think this is why the trend has been for newer MMOs to try and restrict PvP to arena/battleground areas, and/or high-level areas only so that newer players aren't completely put off the game early on by douchebags who max their character out in the first two weeks after launch and then act as playground bullies for the hell of it. Video games were invented as a way to get AWAY from that sort of person in RL.

[SeaBee]

PvP is ruined by chest-thumping teens who win because of class, gear, or chance (and, rarely, skill). The ones that kill your low level character, then gloat about their prowess and strength while spitting on your corpse.

In other words, they take the whole I WON A FIGHT GUYS thing a little too far beyond "fun" and "game." It's irritating, because I when I tell someone I'm going to PvP they generally say, "But you aren't an asshole ... PvPers are elitist assholes."

Most are.

Anyway, I'm a BioWare fan. But I thought DA2 was shit, and I have a feeling KotoR:Online is going to be bad. I hope ME3 isn't ruined/dumbed down horribly from ME2. I'm kind of scared.

[PrimusRibbus]

PvP is ruined by chest-thumping teens who win because of class, gear, or chance (and, rarely, skill). The ones that kill your low level character, then gloat about their prowess and strength while spitting on your corpse.

In other words, they take the whole I WON A FIGHT GUYS thing a little too far beyond "fun" and "game." It's irritating, because I when I tell someone I'm going to PvP they generally say, "But you aren't an asshole ... PvPers are elitist assholes."

Most are.

Anyway, I'm a BioWare fan. But I thought DA2 was shit, and I have a feeling KotoR:Online is going to be bad. I hope ME3 isn't ruined/dumbed down horribly from ME2. I'm kind of scared.

From my experience, the awful PvP communities are primarily present in MMOs where PvP doesn't have any purpose other than saying "Hey, I won this match" (see WoW and most other PvE MMOs).

MMOs I've played where PvP has a real effect on the persistent world (Shadowbane, Darkfall, etc) have had much MUCH better communities; in large part due to the fact that if you acted like an asshole, people could come to where you live and tear your shit apart.

In other words, the element of actionable politics in PvP is what turns MMO PvP from a shit-talking deathmatch into an in-depth game with an engaging community.

[Stworca]

*half reads the thread*

Is this about a bioware MMO? MMOs regardless of publisher usually have some of the worst communties a game can have.

Underlined for truth. Not all of them, but most - yes.