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Sutremaine

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Re: DF Memes?
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2011, 08:53:54 pm »

While I don't doubt you'd be able to bring yourself say it, and wouldn't strictly fear some sort of reprisal for deviating, you know inherently that you are completely flying in the face of everything that, jokingly or not, DF fans hold up as the standards of DF playing or talking about the game
Which you yourself are doing by using the phrase 'bring yourself to say it', implying that "I love elves" is something that must be dredged up from the unwilling depths of one's soul (wow, that came out overblown).
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Re: DF Memes?
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2011, 08:54:34 pm »

Cruelty to cats. The meme that's driven me on several sabbaticals from this forum.
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Re: DF Memes?
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2011, 09:09:00 pm »

badgers are apparently a meme coming up

Badgers as a meme kind of predate DF, though.

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Re: DF Memes?
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2011, 09:23:26 pm »

So far as I know, there is no standardized definition of meme, though they all share the concept that it's a piece of information that spreads.

The way you're talking about it, NW_Kohaku, it's acting more like a shibboleth (though I doubt the two are exclusive of each other).

There is a formal definition of meme, but it doesn't have too much to do with what people on the Internet mean when they talk about memes.  It was coined by Richard Dawkins (the guy who's basically one of the most vehemently anti-religion speakers in the world), see Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins#Meme

Anyway, yes, it's related in a sense to a shibboleth (which is mildly ironic, considering shibboleth is a word whose meaning derives from a Biblical passage), which is a defining characteristic of a certain culture - a meme, as Dawkins coined it, is a piece of a culture or sub-culture that gets imprinted upon people who partake in a culture, causing people to act in a similar manner.  A meme is a part of a subculture (some concept or, in this case, catchphrases and images) that people who participate in the subculture have ingrained into themselves.  Hence, "Magma is the solution to every problem" is something that people acquire as a piece of passed-on knowledge when they start visiting the boards.  They learn that saying things like that are the accepted ways to fit in with the social clique.

The difference, for what difference there is, is based mainly on the fact that shibboleth refers to how outsiders of a group identify you as part of that group, whereas meme refers more to how the group indirectly passes on its concepts and beliefs to new members of the group.

Of course, if enough people mutate the term for long enough, it the language itself adapts to whatever arbitrary definition people have chosen to give it, anyway, so you could certainly say that there is no longer a standardized definition of the term.
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Re: DF Memes?
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2011, 01:56:32 pm »

the "I hate elves" meme

That's more of a generic dwarven thing, rather than a DF thing.

See: Gimili vs. Legolas in LotR
Gimli? That beardless tree-hugger couldn't even beat Legolas in a drinking contest. He lost a drinking contest to an Elf. Any sane insane Dwarf would have trapped that pointy-eared bastard in a stone box and pumped it full of magma 'fore he could make his first short joke.

To be fair LoTR elves are pretty much good at everything. Nothing like DF elves.
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Re: DF Memes?
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2011, 02:04:25 pm »

-Cats
-Cannibalistic Elves
-Boatmurdered (and any other epic succession forts)
-Clowns
-Demonic Human Diplomats

Hmm.. theese can easily be memefied..
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Re: DF Memes?
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2011, 07:50:00 am »

Here's the passage that brought the word "meme" into the world. I think "a unit of imitation" best describes them.

Quote from: 1976 R. Dawkins Selfish Gene xi. 206
The new soup is the soup of human culture. We need a name for the new replicator, a noun which conveys the idea of a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation. ‘Mimeme’ comes from a suitable Greek root, but I want a monosyllable that sounds a bit like ‘gene’. I hope my classicist friends will forgive me if I abbreviate mimeme to meme.‥ It should be pronounced to rhyme with ‘cream’. Examples of memes are tunes, ideas, catch-phrases, clothes fashions, ways of making pots or of building arches.
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