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Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« on: November 19, 2007, 10:00:00 am »

Quite annoying, seeing as I can't buy it in un-blocky form. The same happened with hematite blocks (can't smelt them into iron). I assume all other blocks are the same. It makes no sense that the game allows to build stuff from both blocks and rocks, but when it comes to smelting suddenly blocks become unusable.
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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 10:57:00 am »

There's no way around that without modding. Look for a "deblocker" mod in the modding forum, you can use it to turn coal or lignite blocks into stones, and flux blocks too.
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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 12:32:00 pm »

It does make sense, though, because blocks weigh much less than stones. There's simply not enough material in a block to make a bar. Though it would be nice to smelt them for a fraction of a bar if you have no other options. It would just take a lot of blocks to make a full bar.
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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 01:40:00 pm »

It's not "a block" it's blocks. As in, bricks. Many small rectangular-ish pieces of rock. It should be possible to burn coal, whatever shape it's formed into. And chalk, and limestone, all can turn to the dust required for the steel making from both stones and blocks.
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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 02:19:00 pm »

Well, you're right, you should be able to. That being said, the only reason you'd have coal blocks in the first place is because you ordered them from merchants because they won't bring you actual coal.

So I would say that insofar as this is a 'bug', another 'bug' would be the fact that coal blocks were not excluded from being ordered.

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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2007, 05:42:00 pm »

I could see making coal blocks if for some reason I needed to conserve space in the stockpile - assuming I had extra dwarfpower for masonry but not furnace operating. They all have to be ground to powder anyway; blocks should be easier to use.
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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 05:45:00 pm »

quote:
Originally posted by qalnor:
<STRONG>Well, you're right, you should be able to. That being said, the only reason you'd have coal blocks in the first place is because you ordered them from merchants because they won't bring you actual coal.

So I would say that insofar as this is a 'bug', another 'bug' would be the fact that coal blocks were not excluded from being ordered.</STRONG>


Why is that a bug?  Coal is a valuable trade good, and it makes perfect sense that merchants would want to store it in blocks rather than amorphous lumps.
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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2007, 08:22:00 pm »

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Originally posted by Aquillion:
<STRONG>Why is that a bug?  Coal is a valuable trade good, and it makes perfect sense that merchants would want to store it in blocks rather than amorphous lumps.</STRONG>

If blocks of coal, and some other economic stones, can't be used for their nominal purpose, then you probably shouldn't be able to order them in that form, as it's deceptive.

Thus, it could be considered a bug, but only in the context of the block-problem, which is itself, if not a bug, then certainly an oversight.

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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2007, 09:21:00 pm »

(Sand blocks are similarly unusable for making glass)
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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 12:34:00 pm »

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Originally posted by Shadowlord:
<STRONG>(Sand blocks are similarly unusable for making glass)</STRONG>

Here's how I see it: You should be able to use coal blocks as well as any other fuel, since it's the same material and will actually burn quicker since there's more surface area than a boulder of bituminous coal (or whatever). And as for sand blocks, that seems more like a crate of compressed sand, which should be able to be deconstructed into a "pile of sand" which works as well as a terrain tile of sand for making sandbags, except maybe it has a finite amount in it and will run out after a few years/seasons.

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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2007, 03:16:00 pm »

So essentially, add a "smash up blocks" option somehow?
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Re: Can't use bituminous coal blocks for making coke
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 10:23:00 am »

Deblocker mod here, gives you the ability to convert blocks back into stone.
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