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[Cespinarve]

I may have asked this before, but caverns are a waste of my time and do nothing but screw up my building plans. What do I remove from the raws to get rid of caverns completely. And yes, I know that caverns are useful when you embark on glaciers. Guess what I never, ever, ever, ever do?

[Haspen]

Caverns also allow your dwarf civ to acquire and then trade with you:

-Underground plants
-Silk

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[CAVERN_LAYER_COUNT:3]
Worldgen init file. Try changing to 0 or 1.

[Cespinarve]

I can buy silk. Thank you.

[proxn_punkd]

No you can't. That's what he was saying. Remove caverns, and you remove the places where silk and mushrooms came from, so nobody will have them to sell with you.

[Haspen]

I can buy silk. Thank you.

Well

I was relating to the fact that without caverns, your civ won't trade silk with you because they won't be able to get it from anywhere.

Dunno if it's really true but I'm just going with logic there.

Also, you might want to mess with options below the bracket I posted about.

EDIT: Aw, goddamn forum ninjas.

[Xinael]

You can also adjust the space between the caverns and the space before the first cavern in the world gen options - I just set it so there's a ton of space before the first cavern and also a decent gap between them. Then I have plenty of room for my main fort up above and mid-cavern staging areas if I feel I need them (emergency magma tanks, secondary storage areas etc)

EDIT: Aha, found them. These are the defaults:

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[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_1:5]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_2:1]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_3:1]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_4:1]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_5:2]
[LEVELS_AT_BOTTOM:1]

[myrkul]

If you remove caverns completely, you will embark with:

No plants. none. at all. Dwarven civs don't use, or offer, above-ground plants.
no silk. again, no caverns means no cave spiders. which means no webs.
Combining those two factors, it's likely that your dwarves will arrive naked, either that, or dressed in only leather.
You'll also remove most options for meat to embark with.
And, this is the most important: No booze. again, no plants to brew.

My suggestion is to set the options as follows:

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   [CAVERN_LAYER_COUNT:1]
////
   [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_1:25]
   [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_2:1]
   [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_3:1]
   [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_4:1]
   [LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_5:2]
   [LEVELS_AT_BOTTOM:1]
This will allow you to embark with the full compliment of dwarven stuff (and possibly some very strange options, since doing this will compress all the layers into one), while still allowing you plenty of dig space for your fort.

[Dutchling]

I don't know how but you can mod the underground plants to be avaible above ground so Dwarfs can use them.

[Jelle]

But caverns are dwarfy!
Just like dwarves are badass versions of humans who live above ground, the caverns is a badass version of the overworld, where just about every creature and humanoid is out to kill you. As such the dwarves, badass as they are, must be in their natural habitat of the underworld!

But yes you can disable them completely, no idea how you'd get underground crops without them though, and if you mod them to be outdoor crops wouldn't they need to be grown outdoor? Course if you're one of them softy above ground dwarves I'm sure you won't mind eating the less badass outdoor crops.

Also, wouldn't you still be able to get silk? There's still those surface spiders that only occur in evil biomes. What were they called, phantom spiders?

[Patchy]

I've never seen any of the other civs trade the phantom spider silk before, so he's have to embark on an evil forest and hope it's the right type of evil to get silk. That or mod in some more surface spiders with a wider habitat range.

He could still grow his crops underground by collapsing some soil down to where he wants it, and digging out all the natural roofing, and replacing it with artificial roofs. Still it'll only be surface crops though.

[gtmattz]

IF the only reason caverns are annoying is because they mess with your plans, all you need to do is change the 'levels above layer 1' to a large enough number to accomodate your plans.  I like 60 because, well, 60 is a heck of a lot of room to do whatever you need to do, and more than that tends to just be annoying.