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[Aqizzar]

Oh, well, fair enough then.  Believe me when I say that giving up is actually a very principled position.

[Max White]

a.) They don't currently represent your views, so why give them cash in the first place?
b.) You can talk to an individual who knows his paycheck comes directly from you. Try that with the democratic or republican party. You MIGHT get a volunteer staffer if you get anyone.

To lure them into enjoying your money. Once they are hooked on the funds of enough people, they will worry. Also, how are we affording this high level of service, that is being able to talk to people who know what is going on, for so little cost?

[Truean]

a.) They don't currently represent your views, so why give them cash in the first place?
b.) You can talk to an individual who knows his paycheck comes directly from you. Try that with the democratic or republican party. You MIGHT get a volunteer staffer if you get anyone.

To lure them into enjoying your money. Once they are hooked on the funds of enough people, they will worry. Also, how are we affording this high level of service, that is being able to talk to people who know what is going on, for so little cost?

  You think they aren't hooked on people's approval (including financial) already? It's easier for them to trick you than it is to actually do anything. It's also more profitable because they are heavily lobbied by special interests. They care more about large special interests than you and I, or the whole disorganized public combined.... They pay more.

[Max White]

It's easier for them to trick you than it is to actually do anything.

After several posts worth of mining, Max White strick the line he was digging for.


This statment holds true for most things, I think you will find. Lobbyists that are hired rather then volenteered out of good will included.

[Truean]

It's easier for them to trick you than it is to actually do anything.

After several posts worth of mining, Max White strick the line he was digging for.


This statment holds true for most things, I think you will find. Lobbyists that are hired rather then volenteered out of good will included.

.... Um, no. That quote applies to politicians who have terms in office and only pretend to care in election years. This person would always be running for "reelection" of your $10 and if they didn't deliver results, they're screwed. You can't run a lobby about accountability without providing it yourself....

What the heck is this "goodwill" thing? You think stuff happens for free? Especially fighting multibillion dollar corruption?

It is blatantly obvious that this "should" automatically be done by government as an included expense of taxes. It is equally obvious that it has not been done in generations if it was ever done at all. Because something "should" be done, in no way means it "will" be done....

However you go about doing it, fixing this kind of massive problem isn't going to happen because it "should" be fixed, or else it would've been fixed long ago. It also won't be free, because nothing is.

[Max White]

.... Um, no. That quote applies to politicians who have terms in office and only pretend to care in election years. This person would always be running for reelection and if they didn't deliver results, they're screwed. You can't run a lobby about accountability without providing it yourself....

Sure you can! Espceicaly when your only job is to fight for something to be done, not to do something. If the people want X enforced, and the lawyer is too lazy to realy do anything about X, and is too busy supporting there image so they get more income, then when X does not come to pass they can blame the govenment for not listening, and say they require more money to be heard.

[Truean]

.... Um, no. That quote applies to politicians who have terms in office and only pretend to care in election years. This person would always be running for reelection and if they didn't deliver results, they're screwed. You can't run a lobby about accountability without providing it yourself....

Sure you can! Espceicaly when your only job is to fight for something to be done, not to do something. If the people want X enforced, and the lawyer is too lazy to realy do anything about X, and is too busy supporting there image so they get more income, then when X does not come to pass they can blame the govenment for not listening, and say they require more money to be heard.

How long do you think such a lobbist would last given that most people would be even more skeptical than you are? Most people wouldn't even give the $10 in the first place; if they did, do you think they would continue to in the face of that excuse?

Knowing it means unemployment, you'd be pretty stupid to offer this excuse.

[Max White]

How long do you think such a lobbist would last given that most people would be even more skeptical than you are? Most people wouldn't even give the $10 in the first place; if they did, do you think they would continue to in the face of that excuse?

Knowing it means unemployment, you'd be pretty stupid to offer this excuse.

I think they would do very well. They spend all there time and effort into making it look like they are trying, then when they fail people blame the govenment. If they go behind the scenes and try and do something useful, they spend less time in the public eye, so when people don't get what they want they blame the guy they don't know anything about.

Point and case, polititions do this right now, and it works for them.

[Truean]

I think they would do very well. They spend all there time and effort into making it look like they are trying, then when they fail people blame the government. If they go behind the scenes and try and do something useful, they spend less time in the public eye, so when people don't get what they want they blame the guy they don't know anything about.

Point and case, politicians do this right now, and it works for them.

1.) Politicians get away with it because as I said a few posts ago, they have built in terms and only have to pretend to care every so often. In addition to time, they are also insulated by a staff of people working for them. There is no such person or staff here.

2.) Think about what it means that I already gave up on this idea. That means I don't think it would fly and make me money. No, it wouldn't work....

3.) You're defeating yourself. Every time you state some reason the lobbyist would be a cheat, that's a reason everyone has thought of as well. Thus, they wouldn't give him the $10.... The harder you fight the more it backfires, because you're just listing reasons it would never get off the ground.

4.) You have to have someone filling a political position. You don't have to have a lobbyist. <---- that's why politicians would get away with it and a lobbyist wouldn't. The harder you fight the more it backfires.

[Truean]

Well, thank you all for your input, especially Vactor and yes Aqizzar.

If there's nothing else, I intend to lock this thread. I'll give 24 hours before doing so on the off chance someone has something to say.

Notice: I'm not doing this idea.... <--that should just about cover things.

[GlyphGryph]

Forget me; if we all, at least most of us, gave $10 a year to an established group like I'm talking about that was legit and accountable, that group could compete with larger special interest lobbies to make sure they didn't screw us by everything from rewriting laws for themselves to directly taking bailouts. (sigh)

This is the point I think you're not quite grasping. I already do this. I am not the only one. Public Advocacy groups exist, and some have lobbying arms. If you think one of the many many many existing ones is in line with what you desire, you might be better off assisting them.

If you'd rather form one, I just recommend you narrow your scope. You are more likely to get money by avoiding things people disagree with. Run either an education group, or a government paperwork group, or something like that where people can really get behind it and support you, without having fundamental misgivings about the sort of things you might push for. Or at least choose a specific subset of the population to "represent" because most people disagree about most things, and trying to represent them all is just silly.