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[Behrooz Wolf]

Dwarves just walk across a 'Brook' tile, even if the tile underneath is Water(7/7).

Making a channel on a brook tile removes the brook, leaving open space with the Water(7/7) tile showing through underneath.

[Karlito]

Brook tiles are supposed to be walkable.

[Behrooz Wolf]

Either way, does it make sense to have a walkable brook tile directly over a full water tile?

[Toady One]

Water isn't a tile type -- does it also say something like "stream bed"?  These are rocks/soil saturated with water.  I needed a way to make shallow water but still have water in the square without it spilling to the sides.

[Andrew]

I have a fort with a brook running through and was confused by the same behavior. I was guessing it wasn't a bug that the dwarves could walk through a stream, but it looks wierd. They aren't slowed down at all by the brook, ignore (or more accurately don't prefer) bridges over the brook, and sometime dwarves and pets take a break in the middle of the brook. What makes it seem wierd is that with 7/7 water one layer below, it "feels" deep. The appearance is that the brook tiles are like ice - a solid layer above real water.

[Quintin Stone]

My dwarves walk right over the brook.  In fact, the human wagons went right over the brook as well, as if it were nothing.

[Alfador]

It's the full tile underneath that makes it weird, is all. The problem is that brooks are meant to be extremely small trickles of water, yet Toady needed a way to make such small water flows feasible to pump water *from*. Hence, full tiles of water underneath squares you can technically walk on. Assume the brook is full of large stepping stones that dwarves can walk across. It's not even odd that wagons can cross brooks. Didn't you ever successfully Ford the River in Oregon Trail? I know I usually had to Caulk the Wagon and Float It...

[Draco18s]

Brook tiles can also get Muddied and Bloodied like normal floor tiles.

[JT]

For aesthetic purposes, would it be impossible to constrain such a tile to a maximum depth of 3?  It would be a little more appealing with the idea that it's half rocks, half water, and would have the side effect that any diversions off of the brook would suck up more of the brook's water (I think that's a good thing, but it might mess things up at the moment).

[thvaz]

JT, then it would spill to the sides. As Toady said, he has to implement a way for them to not spill.

[Jreengus]

quote:Originally posted by Toady One:
<STRONG>Water isn't a tile type -- does it also say something like "stream bed"?  These are rocks/soil saturated with water.  I needed a way to make shallow water but still have water in the square without it spilling to the sides.</STRONG>

How about having earth which can fill up a square in a similar method to water, so you could have a square which is earth 4/7 and water 3/7 for example, you could also then have it so dwarves can go up and down a certain number of earth levels so whilst they couldnt go from a 0/7 earth to a 6/7 erth they might be able to go from a 0/7 to 2/7 to 4/7 to 6/7. this would mean they could also go from a 0/7 down a z level to a 6/7 or vice versa. anyway just a suggestion i could never make a game this good and bow before you.

[isitanos]

quote:Originally posted by thatguyyaknow:
<STRONG>

How about having earth which can fill up a square in a similar method to water, so you could have a square which is earth 4/7 and water 3/7 for example, you could also then have it so dwarves can go up and down a certain number of earth levels so whilst they couldnt go from a 0/7 earth to a 6/7 erth they might be able to go from a 0/7 to 2/7 to 4/7 to 6/7. this would mean they could also go from a 0/7 down a z level to a 6/7 or vice versa. anyway just a suggestion i could never make a game this good and bow before you.</STRONG>

This might make digging (and pathfinding?) a bit complicated, but it seems to be the solution that makes the most sense. Actually digging could work just as it does now, but you could have a special channeling option to dig at a certain depth.

[Toady One]

Having two "liquids" (earth/sand/water/magma/oil/whatever) in the same tile is also a storage problem.

[JT]

quote:Originally posted by thvaz:
<STRONG>JT, then it would spill to the sides. As Toady said, he has to implement a way for them to not spill.</STRONG>

Zuh?  That makes no sense to me.  If a water level gets up to 3 in a brook, that means the brook tile is full and water can't enter that tile unless it's already higher than the surface level.  The simplest solution is to treat any brook tile, for purposes of inflow, as being +4 water levels deeper than it really is.