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[Duke 2.0]

Movie Bob is a good source for how to think.

I know you may have phrased that wrong, but this sounds like a terrible concept.

I respect that people have different opinions about things, but when your example of a better analysis of something is an outright attack on it I really have no reason to respect your opinion, as it's just as slanted as the very idea you attack.

 I'm with Vector on this, although I still love Redwall despite how formulaic it is.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, I used to love the Redwall books too.  Don't read them any more, but definitely fond memories.

Incidentally, I suddenly remember Small Gods by Terry Pratchett.  That was a religious allegory I really liked.  I guess it's from an atheist point of view, but it's definitely not anti-religion.

[Cecilff2]

Honestly, there are better worse fantasy works out there that do an analysis of religen.

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Fixed it.  FFX was absolutely horrible.  Probably would have been better as a book.

[ChairmanPoo]

Yeah, I used to love the Redwall books too.  Don't read them any more, but definitely fond memories.

Incidentally, I suddenly remember Small Gods by Terry Pratchett.  That was a religious allegory I really liked.  I guess it's from an atheist point of view, but it's definitely not anti-religion.

gah, small gods was about the time I started disliking Pratchett. I started disliking him because from some point onward all his novels started to get allegorical. And I hate that kind of thing.

[Willfor]

Yeah, I used to love the Redwall books too.  Don't read them any more, but definitely fond memories.

Incidentally, I suddenly remember Small Gods by Terry Pratchett.  That was a religious allegory I really liked.  I guess it's from an atheist point of view, but it's definitely not anti-religion.

gah, small gods was about the time I started disliking Pratchett. I started disliking him because from some point onward all his novels started to get allegorical. And I hate that kind of thing.

You're in good company. Tolkien was also not very much of a fan of allegory.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

I really liked the books as a child, and I kind of like reading them even now. However, I've never liked the religious aspect of it at all. The part of the various religious references and things I loathed the most was the portrayal of that whole Tash thing. Not only was it really intolerant of other religions, but to me, at least, it also came across as pretty racist. I choose to ignore it and enjoy it as a sort of heroic light fantasy.


Also I hated the films.

[Sowelu]

I recall a singularily silly bit on which Alsan decides that the prince is fit to rule, because the prince thinks he is UNfit to rule. At that time I thought it was just stupid. Now I realize it was a poor attempt at hammering some "zomg humility is good!" stuff.

The hell with humility; to an extent, I'd appreciate that reasoning in real-world politics.

[Soadreqm]

It's been some time since I read the books. I think they're okay.

I recall a singularily silly bit on which Alsan decides that the prince is fit to rule, because the prince thinks he is UNfit to rule. At that time I thought it was just stupid. Now I realize it was a poor attempt at hammering some "zomg humility is good!" stuff.

That's a story that I've seen elsewhere, although usually the message is less "humility is good" and more "politicians are shitheads". Anyone who wants to rule is only in it so they can abuse their powers for their own ends.

[Max White]

I know you may have phrased that wrong, but this sounds like a terrible concept.

I respect that people have different opinions about things, but when your example of a better analysis of something is an outright attack on it I really have no reason to respect your opinion, as it's just as slanted as the very idea you attack.

 I'm with Vector on this, although I still love Redwall despite how formulaic it is.

What, being given a veiw that you can or can not agree with? What's wrong with that? Not everybody is an expert in identifying themes in literary works, and therefor it is nice to have a critic to give you an over veiw. It works off specialisation, and it allows for everybody to understand something to a level where we can make a choice, without studying for years to get a degree.
Every time you go to a docter it's a similar story, your given a breif overveiw that should allow you to understand what's going on without requiring vivid detail.

And where did I make an outright attack?

[ChairmanPoo]

That's a story that I've seen elsewhere, although usually the message is less "humility is good" and more "politicians are shitheads". Anyone who wants to rule is only in it so they can abuse their powers for their own ends.

Yeah, but quite frankly, that someone admitted his own lack of qualifications to fulfill the post doesn't make him more qualified, or even less corrupt, than the others.

While typing this Sarah Palin and her "yesh, hurr I'm a redneck" rethoric came to mind

[fqllve]

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Palin thinks that makes her more qualified to lead.

[Duke 2.0]

And where did I make an outright attack?

Be sure to read what I said very carefully, misunderstandings often cause these things to spiral out of control.

 So yeah, while experts can provide criticism on the quality of a literary work and show how well it's written, analysis on meanings and allegory is largely subjective. An experts view on it isn't something we should see on how to think, but a jumping-off point on the possibilities of various meanings.

 FFX as an example is how religions shouldn't be. At best you could make a reference to how one religion is, but even then I would hardly call it a better example considering how limited FFX was as an example. It really didn't deal with religion at all, it simply being a cover for the villains. You could just as easily replace it with a company, or a gang, or a family or whatever organized group of people. It is an example of somebody taking a structure and manipulating it, not any specific structure that can be manipulated.