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[PTTG??]

Well, that exponential curve is the whole point of The Singularity. Self-reinforcing loops and all that.

And what would be so great about suddenly getting caught by everybody and loosing instantly, just because you're practicing stock manipulation?

[puke]

yeah, not really.  theres no fisionables on the moon for the AI to make weapons from, and the combined nuclear arsenals of human nations could pretty easily wipe away any moon base.  i was watching this ( http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-07/6/japanese-artist-nuclear-weapons ) and boggling at just how many TESTS we have detonated.  it would be a significant challenge for a determined AI to break away from humanity, be it on antartica or under the sea or on the moon.

there are definitly some gameplay challenges to be added in that regard.  maybe it could be combined with Introversion's Defcon or something.

[Sowelu]

I think it would be neat to take the Doctor Doom approach, and just say "This random Eastern European country is mine now.  The people are happy and well-fed!  Our economy is self-sufficient and good.  We don't need to expand or anything.  I will make no aggressive moves towards the outside world.  But my borders are patrolled by killer robots, and if you launch anything at me I'll blow it out of the sky and then nuke you into glass."

And then you operate openly in there, while you build up...whatever it is that you want to do.  Or research there while covertly producing in the outer world.  People should be suspicious of different things.  "Oh, there's a rogue AI, let's study it / shut it down" is one thing.  "This mysterious corporation is trying to corner X market / do something suspicious on the moon", or "This country might be secretly building up an attack force" is another.

[beorn080]

yeah, not really.  theres no fisionables on the moon for the AI to make weapons from, and the combined nuclear arsenals of human nations could pretty easily wipe away any moon base.  i was watching this ( http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-07/6/japanese-artist-nuclear-weapons ) and boggling at just how many TESTS we have detonated.  it would be a significant challenge for a determined AI to break away from humanity, be it on antartica or under the sea or on the moon.

there are definitly some gameplay challenges to be added in that regard.  maybe it could be combined with Introversion's Defcon or something.

I recall once having an argument on this subject.  I don't wish to restart it, but some of the key points were

1 g gravity well. Hard to get missiles up that, and easy to throw them down.

Catapult system for launching steel encased multiton rocks. Not the most efficient weapon, but lots of rocks.

Depth. If the AI tunneled down 250-500 meters then expanded, a nuke aint gonna touch it.

It is annoying that the AI gets so paranoid about bases that are almost impossible to reach. "Oh no, they spotted a tear in the universe well beyond the orbit of the moon. Quick, destroy it immediately."

[Sowelu]

It is annoying that the AI gets so paranoid about bases that are almost impossible to reach. "Oh no, they spotted a tear in the universe well beyond the orbit of the moon. Quick, destroy it immediately."

I guess you could call it roleplaying?

[puke]

i actually nearly lost once, when working on the reality bubble thing.  i had just enough money to build it and the massive computers inside it, but it was discovered before i got the computers online.  i ended up broke and running of the cheapest leased computers i could (i think i ended up on a single hacked pc at one point) until i could get enough cash together to start saving money again.

really dramatic.  sometimes its fun to eschew good planning and just take what comes.

which is probably why i've never ascended in nethack.