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[Zaerosz]

How difficult would it be to make a reaction which takes a piece of, say, giant lion leather (or any leather, really) and converts it to "reinforced" giant lion leather (or reinforced ______ leather)? Because I'd love my dwarves to be able to ride into battle clothed in the skins of their fallen enemies without being immediately skewered because leather makes crappy armour.

TL;DR: Can you convert animal products to different materials? If so, can you do this while retaining their animal source?

[Delioth]

It is possible, by adding a new material to a creature (call it UPGRADE_LEATHER_MAT) with a different template that behaves sort-of like leather, but better.
The reaction could take a piece of leather, but I'm unsure whether it could reference the original creature again (there's not enough space in the line, unless it would be GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:leather:UPGRADE_LEATHER_MAT])

I would dive into the Masterwork DF Raws to see if I could find a solution, but it uses standardized materials anyway, so he'd just reference the creature again, and to do that in vanilla would require the same number of reactions as animals that you could convert. (with CREATURE_MAT:LION_GIANT:UPGRADE_LEATHER_MAT])

This whole thing may be easily solved with [HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:XXX], though... I haven't used or bothered to learn the mechanics behind that yet.

I call upon the RAWmasters who know how to use this odd line!

[Meph]

Yes, that is absolutely possible. I do have a system in my mod to make leather => boil in oil => tough hide. => stud with bone => studded leather, and sew together to lamellar => lamellar leather. They are a bit better then iron in the end.

What exactly do you want to do, how good or bad should it be? Have a look at my raws, in reactions_masterwork.txt and search for "new tanner"
Looks like this:

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##############################################################################
##################     NEW TANNER REACTIONS    #############################
##############################################################################

[REACTION:STUD]
[NAME:make bone studs(5) from bone]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_B]
[REAGENT:B:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][ANY_BONE_MATERIAL][USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[PRODUCT:100:5:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_STUD:INORGANIC:BONE_STUD]
[SKILL:TANNER]

[REACTION:STUD_VERMIN]
[NAME:make bone studs(2) from vermin]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_B]
   [REAGENT:A:1:REMAINS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:2:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_STUD:INORGANIC:BONE_STUD]
[SKILL:TANNER]

[REACTION:SPLIT_LEATHER]
[NAME:make thin pieces(3) from leather]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_O]
[REAGENT:A:1:SKIN_TANNED:NONE:NONE:NONE][ANY_LEATHER_MATERIAL] [REACTION_CLASS:LEATHER_EXOTIC]
[PRODUCT:100:3:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:SUEDE:LEATHER_THIN]
[SKILL:TANNER]

[REACTION:BOIL_LEATHER]
[NAME:upgrade leather I (boil in oil)]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_O]
[REAGENT:A:1:SKIN_TANNED:NONE:NONE:NONE][ANY_LEATHER_MATERIAL] [REACTION_CLASS:LEATHER_EXOTIC]
   [REAGENT:oil:150:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [UNROTTEN]
      [HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SOAP_MAT]
   [REAGENT:oil container:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [CONTAINS:oil]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
      [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:ANIMAL_EXOTIC:LEATHER]
[PRODUCT:75:1:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:oil:NONE][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:oil container]
   YESDUST[PRODUCT:20:1:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:STENCH][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[SKILL:TANNER]

[REACTION:STUD_LEATHER]
[NAME:upgrade leather II (stud)]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_S]
[REAGENT:A:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:ANIMAL_EXOTIC:LEATHER][ANY_LEATHER_MATERIAL]
[REAGENT:B:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_STUD:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:ANIMAL_STUDDED:LEATHER]
[SKILL:TANNER]

[REACTION:LAMELLAR]
[NAME:upgrade leather III (lamellar)]
[BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_L]
[REAGENT:A:3:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:ANIMAL_STUDDED:LEATHER][ANY_LEATHER_MATERIAL]
[PRODUCT:100:2:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE_MAT:ANIMAL_LAMELLAR:LEATHER]
[SKILL:TANNER]

Of course you need the materials as well, and use creature specific leather (I only have one leather type for all creatures) so some work on your end is not avoidable. Hope it helps a bit, to give you an idea.

EDIT:

I would dive into the Masterwork DF Raws

lol ^^

Edit2: But yeah, using HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT and a copied vanilla tanning reaction using another tan mat... that would be a lot easier. ^^

[Zaerosz]

Preferably I'd like to have a series of upgradeable tiers, e.g. base leather -> slightly above iron -> slightly below steel -> between some modded metals I found to bridge the gap between steel and adamantine. I just really want to be able to have my militia commander decked out in a giant scorpion carapace suit without getting shanked right off the bat.

As for this:

It is possible, by adding a new material to a creature (call it UPGRADE_LEATHER_MAT) with a different template that behaves sort-of like leather, but better.

How would I go about doing that without breaking anything, or having that material appear in the creature where it shouldn't?

[Delioth]

As for this:

It is possible, by adding a new material to a creature (call it UPGRADE_LEATHER_MAT) with a different template that behaves sort-of like leather, but better.

How would I go about doing that without breaking anything, or having that material appear in the creature where it shouldn't?
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Just make sure to never call it up in the creature's RAW file - i.e. don't put it anywhere other than defining it.

[Zaerosz]

Ah, righto. So since I'm using Lofn's tanning mod, would I be able to just add those to the creature variations added by the mod (e.g. SCALED, CHITINOUS etc.)?

[Zaerosz]

Okay. Though I regret having to ask, would anyone be able to write material templates for three upgraded tiers of leather, feathers, carapace, hide and fur? I've uploaded the base file for them here. Preferably the tiers should be something along the lines of iron+ -> steel- -> steel++. Don't worry about names, I'll sort those out myself.

[Meph]

I am working on my own system atm, this is how far I got so far:

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skin => tan => leather => boil in oil => tough leather => stud => studded leather => combine/sew => lamellar leather.
normal => copper => bronze => iron

chitin => clean => chitinplate => combine => rigid chitinplate => ???
shell => clean => shellplate => combine => rigid shellplate => ???
scale => clean => scaleplate => combine => rigid scaleplate => ???
normal => bronze => iron => ???
I dont know if I should upgrade the shell/plate/scale higher then iron... seems too strong in the end. After all it is very light and unlimited.

Fur, if I introduce it, would be for clothing only.

Feather... what would you use feathers for, in armor? And feathered clothing seems undwarvish.

[Zaerosz]

Jabberer-feather cloak. In my headcanon, jabberers are basically the dwarven boogeyman (setting aside, you know, the actual boogeymen), so what better way to show your badassery than a cloak made from the feathers of one - that doubles as effective armour?

And each successive stage would require rarer components to upgrade (though exactly what, I'm not sure yet), so it wouldn't be THAT common to have top-tier leather-ish stuff.

[Delioth]

How to use feathers in armor?
Aha!- use them as a reagent to make 'padded leather,' with better stats against blunt attacks
- Maybe add them to every stage? (i.e. leather+feathers=padded leather, tough leather+feathers=tough padded leather, etc.)

Or, another way you could use them is to use them to add decorations to certain armors, i.e. like winged helmets (bonus points if you can get it to say what kind of feathers are used) You could do the same thing with hairs and such (crested helmets with horse hairs, or with forgotten beast feathers, etc.)

[Meph]

I personally dont have "named" materials in my mod. So lion mane and jabberer feathers complete fall out, and would be called: fur and feather. And neither of them has ever been use for armor. Decoration, yes, armor, no. Like I said, fur for clothing, feather maybe for quills. Just maybe, because feathers would be quite rare to come by, in DF standards with each creature giving only one. If I make one bir give hundrets of feathers, stockpiles will overflow.