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[Dark_Tundra]

1) Traps effect everyone.
2) Friendlies/TRAPAVOID treat traps as restricted for pathing.
3) Walling off your fortress with traps is bad for your dwarfs.
4) Millitary use nearby traps in wrestling.

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(Urist McWrestler forces The Goblin Pikeman's head into the weapon trap. It Explodes into gore!)
(Urist McWrestler forces The Elf Bowman's head into the cage trap. It is torn off!)

Thoughts? Comments? Critiques? Flames?

[thelordberg]

Well, for use in wrestling it would be awesome (I love combat reports, the more awesome the better) But to restrict pathing would just be useless, your dwarfs know exactly where to step to avoid the 10 +Serrated Iron Disc+ Armokdamnit!!! The fact that the kobolds can also see the holes in the wall and tripwires for the crossbow traps just mean kobolds have a little bit of dwarf in them.

[Dark_Tundra]

The idea behind 1 & 2 was to discourage simply filling a corridoor with traps and perhaps encourage careful placement.

[Wakmaster]

I think it would be better if not all monsters where easily trapped.
Then u would have to find other ways to kill them.

Enemy's with shield for example could just hold there schield above there head to block stone fall traps.

[Dark_Tundra]

I think it would be better if not all monsters where easily trapped.
Then u would have to find other ways to kill them.

Enemy's with shield for example could just hold there schield above there head to block stone fall traps.

If the stonefall trap crushes the enemy underneath, I'd expect the shield would only add a flatter crushing surface.

[Wakmaster]

It depends on the trap.

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Ive seen some undead just getting hit in one part of the body and ignoring it.

[Soralin]

The idea behind 1 & 2 was to discourage simply filling a corridoor with traps and perhaps encourage careful placement.

Well you could still do that to some extent.  For example, just fill the corridor with a checkerboard pattern of traps, friendlies can move freely by just skipping down the corridors on the safe tiles, while non-friendlies try to just walk straight down the corridor and get hit by them.

3-wide entrances could be done too, just make a non-trapped safe path that winds around a bit going down the corridor, but where any straight line would run into traps.  But at least it's an improvement.

Personally, I'd like to see traps broken down more into specific components that actually take some space to place them in, and power (dwarf or machine) to reset, and such like that, that could be triggered by levers, or pressure plates(that actually work on weight on them, from anything, not being magical friend-or-foe-or-fluid detectors like they are now.)

[Firehound]

I think it would be better if not all monsters where easily trapped.
Then u would have to find other ways to kill them.

Enemy's with shield for example could just hold there schield above there head to block stone fall traps.

If the stonefall trap crushes the enemy underneath, I'd expect the shield would only add a flatter crushing surface.

Also, let's not forget how ungodly heavy these rocks must be to insta-red about half of a goblin in 40d.(haven't tried lately)

[DoctorZuber]

so what you're proposing is more of a trap nerf than anything else. Which, might actually happen eventually. I do admit it's a bit cheesy to just flood a hall with stone-fall and/or cage traps and never have to worry about invaders again except to occasionally collect the bodies/reset the traps.

[Firehound]

Now.... theoretically, you could still completely trap an entrance. If you rig your fortress to seal off it's main entrance when trouble happens, you can still deal 'fun' to seigers via ballista and trap hallway.

[Kholint]

Let's not forget that it also means that dwarves in the heat of combat (dodging a blow or being pushed over) would accidentally activate traps (as well they might)!

[Safe-Keeper]

I personally don't use traps because they are highly unrealistic and overpowered at the moment, but I liked these suggestions, especially number four .

The idea behind 1 & 2 was to discourage simply filling a corridoor with traps and perhaps encourage careful placement.

The best way to do this, of course, would be to make traps realistic. Currently, you can just place a trap and say "okay, here's an invisible ethereal cage that will solidify and trap when an enemy walks into it, be it a wolf, goblin or dragon, keeping them sealed indefinitely!". You should have to actually build traps part by part, the same way you do pump systems or mills.

That, and the DF Talk idea of Toady that enemies "learn" by trial and error where traps are, and change their pathing accordingly or gain the ability to avoid known traps.