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[Shima]

Even then, the particular sword pictured has a very pronounced tip.  Assuming it's properly sharpened, that would be a great stabbing weapon, at least against lightly armored enemies.

[Deon]

And this is how it works now in DF. Armored enemies are better to be hammered/bashed, while unarmored are prone to piercing attacks, which go deep through tissues.

[Shima]

I've found, while playing Adventure and screwing about in the Arena, that hammers and maces aren't really all that good against armor.  Or anything that's alive at all.  All they can really do is incapacitate an enemy, it basically won't kill anything unless it specifically hits hard on the ribs or skull.  I've gotten as high as 50+ attacks, counting up as I go, on various unarmored people and beasts.  Sure, they're down and can't attack, BUT in Fortress mode they're still a significant threat to productivity, for both the military and civilians.  Swords and axes are almost certainly more effective against the armored since, while it will take a while, that hit that gets around or through armor may sever, and will certainly cause blood loss.  Hitting someone armored, with a blunt weapon, is fruitless.  You'll almost never be able to kill them because the armor is adding spare protection.

I'd say add the characteristic spike to it, but stabbing's fairly broken right now, too.  When I added it to my own hammers for testing, it would still take an excess of 30 rounds to cause fatal bleeding, and that's against unarmored animals.

The damage system in DF needs to be reworked again.  It's got the basis for being great, but it's plagued by issues like these.

[Deon]

Hammers are great to cripple joints. But a creature with broken joints and high recuperation may live years of (worthless) life . However it will be unable to attack.

Critters without joints are less prone to blunt attacks though... It reminds me that I should add joints to all critters for the 1.0 release of Genesis mod.

[Jake]

The short sword is fine as it is -- suitable for both stabbing and slashing.  I don't understand why you would change the slashing attack to blunt, though.  Are they slapping the enemy with their swords?  That's already defined two attacks down.

  It's supposed to represent a sword with a dull edge but a sharp point; my primary motivation was to give the elves a sword that they could plausibly fashion from wood. This is mostly a flavour mod anyway, but historically swords have tended to be optimised for one form of attack at the expense of the other, with general-purpose weapons being somewhat less common.

Maybe he attended a Hammerdwarf lecture.

This was in arena mode, though. My modded-in "spearbows" kept the basic blunt attack, however. Perhaps that had something to do with it?

Oh, and if being able to stab someone with a scimitar isn't the oversight it first appeared to be, being able to stab someone with a macahuitl certainly is.

[Phoebus]

When a weapon has multiple attacks, how do the users select which attack to use?
Equal random chance for each attack?

[Skie]

I made my sergals use Zweihanders (basically a two-handed sword, but longer and heavier?), Bec De Corbins (Polehammer), War Scythes and Partisans. Just for fun and variety.
The scythe and zweihander sergals are really terrifying. Body parts fly in beautiful arcs everywhere.

[Eagleon]

When a weapon has multiple attacks, how do the users select which attack to use?
Equal random chance for each attack?

From experiments with this

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[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_STAFF_QUARTER]
[NAME:quarterstaff:quarterstaves]
[SIZE:600]
[SKILL:SPEAR]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:900:jab:jabs:end:2250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:slam:slams:shaft:4250]

the slam and jab attacks are much rarer. If I remove the multiple bash attacks down to one, they seem to come more often. So I'd say it's randomly selected.