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[Zantan]

I have managed to create vermin, but I'm stumbling on producing them caged.  Under the current code, my dwarves will use buckets instead of animal traps.  The vermin ends up in the bucket, but I don't know how to get it out.  How should I change this so it uses its animal trap?

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[REACTION:VERMINMAKE2]
   [NAME:spawn a roach with trap2]
   [BUILDING:TEST:CUSTOM_SHIFT_P]
   [REAGENT:A:1:ANIMAL_TRAP:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:VERMIN:NO_SUBTYPE:ROACH_LARGE:ROACH_LARGE][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
   [SKILL:MINING]

[Shaostoul]

Perhaps try cage instead of animal trap?

[Zantan]

can vermin be stored in normal cages?  I hadn't realized that.

Just tested this.  They go into the cages, and if you build them and remove them using a lever, the vermin are properly released.  Now just to check if you can milk vermin from these cages...

[Lancensis]

Is it still necessary to put the vermin to be produced in the first 15 raw entries?

[Zantan]

No.  I changed it to make cave spiders, and moved cave spiders to the end of the creature_subterranean, and it still worked.


Next step is making vermin that can be killed for their shells.  The final goal is to create the following production line:

Large roach + brimstone + fire imp fat --> demon roach, which produces shells on death.

Demon roach + blood + milk + brains --> demon roach queen, which can be milked for demon roach eggs.

At magma powered incubator: demon roach eggs + meat + blood --> demon roach


If I can get that down, I'm going to try for a more dwarfy line of agriculture/animal husbandry...

[Upright Path]

Do Fire Imp parts still spontaneously catch on fire/smoke if they're with other items and rot? This is just an aside that bothered me in one of my last games, pre 31.01, when my food stockpile, which was just off the entrance to the fort, spontaneously lit on fire after I butchered some fire imp parts, but never did anything with them, which lead to the death of the fortress due to smoke inhalation, inability to reach food... And some dwarf lighting himself on fire getting food (?) which then lead to the entire map burning down. Heh.

Good luck on that cycle. Though, you could always try less difficult items for the reactions until you get it down. Or just taking out the whole line of extra stuff until you get it all figured out.

[Zantan]

I tried adding [ITEMCORPSE:VERMIN:NO_SUBTYPE:MAGGOT_PURRING:MAGGOT_PURRING]
to the purring maggot raws in order to make them unkillable, it didn't work.  It had the icon for vermin remains, and was called purring maggot, but it was not a living thing.

[Lancensis]

If I can get that down, I'm going to try for a more dwarfy line of agriculture/animal husbandry...

Oh nice. Maybe a "incubator" workshop that has to be fed rare minerals, or a creature/non-farmable plant from the lower levels. Anything that encourages the player to have to go out and work for their supper is a good thing, I think.

I tried adding [ITEMCORPSE:VERMIN:NO_SUBTYPE:MAGGOT_PURRING:MAGGOT_PURRING]
to the purring maggot raws in order to make them unkillable, it didn't work.  It had the icon for vermin remains, and was called purring maggot, but it was not a living thing.

Ain't that a bitch. I wanted to make relentless locusts. Unless, and I know this is a shot in the dark, they require [NOSMELLYROT] to correctly drop an item?

[Ilmoran]

If I can get that down, I'm going to try for a more dwarfy line of agriculture/animal husbandry...

Oh nice. Maybe a "incubator" workshop that has to be fed rare minerals, or a creature/non-farmable plant from the lower levels. Anything that encourages the player to have to go out and work for their supper is a good thing, I think.

I tried adding [ITEMCORPSE:VERMIN:NO_SUBTYPE:MAGGOT_PURRING:MAGGOT_PURRING]
to the purring maggot raws in order to make them unkillable, it didn't work.  It had the icon for vermin remains, and was called purring maggot, but it was not a living thing.

Ain't that a bitch. I wanted to make relentless locusts. Unless, and I know this is a shot in the dark, they require [NOSMELLYROT] to correctly drop an item?

This is making me think of a magma powered incubator and dragon eggs as a CLUSTER_ONE inorganic that occurs in, say, obsidian.  I think I might mod that in my next fort 

[Lancensis]

Heh. Unless you want to hatch your dragons as vermin, you're best off frying that egg. Unless you make the incubator a "Holding facility" for the dragon. Have to use your imagination a bit, but I guess that's true of everything in the game.

[Zantan]

First we have to figure out if/how to produce large creatures in custom reactions.  So far it's just confirmed for vermin.

I just managed to make vermin out of brains using:
[REAGENT:A:1:FOOD:NONE:ORGANIC:BRAIN]

I am, however, unable to create a non-fish vermin which can be harvested for shells.  Any suggestions?

[Ilmoran]

Heh. Unless you want to hatch your dragons as vermin, you're best off frying that egg. Unless you make the incubator a "Holding facility" for the dragon. Have to use your imagination a bit, but I guess that's true of everything in the game.

Ahh, you can only get vermin to come out of reactions?  Bah.  Hmm, maybe make it a pseudodragon instead    Or, make them vermin, then after hatching one, remove vermin tag in raws.   

[Lancensis]

I am, however, unable to create a non-fish vermin which can be harvested for shells.  Any suggestions?

Well, turtle and cave lobster shells are left behind when they're eaten uncooked (but prepared at a fishery). Perhaps if they're only able to leave shells after being cleaned that way, only fish can leave them? Otherwise just let a dwarf eat them and leave the shell.

Ahh, you can only get vermin to come out of reactions?  Bah.  Hmm, maybe make it a pseudodragon instead    Or, make them vermin, then after hatching one, remove vermin tag in raws.  

Back up your save first. That smells like crash to me. Actually, you should probably just stick with the vermin dragon. It'd be hilarious for the player to dig out a half-tonne dragon egg, and be rewarded with a firey guardian that's the size of a sparrow.
On a related note, you might be able to make some fun Facehugger eggs, if you get creative with the vermin's syndrome.

[Zantan]

Ahh, you can only get vermin to come out of reactions?  Bah.  Hmm, maybe make it a pseudodragon instead    Or, make them vermin, then after hatching one, remove vermin tag in raws.  

Actually, you should probably just stick with the vermin dragon. It'd be hilarious for the player to dig out a half-tonne dragon egg, and be rewarded with a firey guardian that's the size of a sparrow.

When I was making my megabeast animal generator for 40d, there were times early on when I would be making vermin megabeasts...they appeared in legends with kills and everything, but I never got to see one in person...