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Re: The "gay" accent
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2010, 08:03:06 pm »

I'm confused.  You say that people talk the way they heard others talk while growing up, but you don't believe that they could be conditioned to be masculine as part of that process?

I'm saying how you learned, is your natural way of speaking. So it's not as if you would "naturally" use an accent if you didn't grow up hearing it. Like it would be ridiculous to assert that more Americans would naturally have a French accent, if it weren't conditioned out of them by people speaking English.

No, the point is that people will naturally have mannerisms that differ from each other when society doesn't condition them one way or the other.

Males are conditioned to be, well, masculine, whatever that definition of "masculine" may be. This informs a lot of the way they act. If they cease to care about whether or not they fit that definition of "masculinity", then they'll be more inclined to use whatever mannerisms best suit them, even if they would go against them being perceived as "masculine".

Of course, the other side is one of conditioning and social expectation. One reason gay people seem to be a bunch of lispy hairdressers is because those are the gay guys that society responds positively to. They're non-threatening. They're the kind you can put on a sitcom or reality show for entertainment. They're as much a stereotype as the initial expectations of masculinity are, and unfortunately, they are going to effect the way some homosexual men behave.

There's also an issue of exposure. The gay guys you see with a silly lisp and a pink fanny pack (or whatever the stereotypical image is, exactly) are the ones you're going to notice more often, and the ones that are going to be in the media most prominently.
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Re: The "gay" accent
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2010, 08:11:58 am »

Texas isen't that bad! People dont go around killing gays. :P


Not during the day anyway.
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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2010, 11:34:31 am »

From the short time I've lived, I've deduced one thing;
Society is stupid, or rather, changes easily to the point they fit into a mold, AKA a stereotype. Say you have an average person who is usually happy, and something tragic happens to him that sends him into deep depression. Maybe they may become an "emo", or develop habits that someone of that stereotype will have. Usually our first instinct upon a problem is finding a way to solve it. Naturally, if I wanted to solve a problem that's happened to others, I would go for the best solution. The best solution though, is usually based on a person's preferences. They may believe following a stereotype will solve things, therefore they join it as a false cure. One of my friends did that a year ago after the death of his pit bull.
The other reason seems to be that someone finds a stereotype with people who have similar traits, and to fit in they usually adopt the rest. I myself did this once while trying to fit in.

Now, this is coming from someone who the only things he knows about psychology is how to trick someone into giving you something, but the way I see it, the reason a homosexual may adopt the "gay" stereotype is somewhat of a want to be around those who will accept them. It would seem that humans, though some claim to be "loners" and don't need to feel accepted, seem to have a bit of a social need to be with others that know how they feel and what they are like. Someone that understands them, so to speak. In a stereotype, it seems to be often to gain most if not all traits of the stereotype if you never had them. A few years ago I went "emo", but it didn't last long because there wasn't anyone around like me and I became more of a social outcast than I already was, if that's possible. :P

TL;DR, My opinion is some of the homosexuals that think they should try to fit in with the homosexual stereotype subconsciously begin adopting the accent.

Then again this is coming from an asexual who really doesn't know shit about psychology. I wouldn't count on this for an answer.
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Re: The "gay" accent
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2010, 11:43:03 am »

Of course, the other side is one of conditioning and social expectation. One reason gay people seem to be a bunch of lispy hairdressers is because those are the gay guys that society responds positively to. They're non-threatening. They're the kind you can put on a sitcom or reality show for entertainment. They're as much a stereotype as the initial expectations of masculinity are, and unfortunately, they are going to effect the way some homosexual men behave.

There's also an issue of exposure. The gay guys you see with a silly lisp and a pink fanny pack (or whatever the stereotypical image is, exactly) are the ones you're going to notice more often, and the ones that are going to be in the media most prominently.
It's more the last one. I see the exact opposite of the first more often than not - people are threatened by non-masculine behavior in males because it challenges their notions of "correct" behavior, and subconsciously, a lot of men feel the need to reassert the importance of "manliness" when they see something like this that they've been trained away from. My guess is it's a little bit of son emulating father here, and a lot of an insecurity about how they appear to others - they don't want to appear to like or put up with any part of it, because it may sabotage their own facade.

Maybe some women respond more positively to it, but from personal experience they can also respond very negatively, particularly if they're the type to reject such behavior in their own sex.
TL;DR, My opinion is some of the homosexuals that think they should try to fit in with the homosexual stereotype subconsciously begin adopting the accent.

Then again this is coming from an asexual who really doesn't know shit about psychology. I wouldn't count on this for an answer.
Hey, you've got as much experience being human as the rest of us :P You provide a different (and interesting) perspective.
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Re: The "gay" accent
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2010, 04:49:06 pm »

Asexualism is convenient when nobody immediately around you seems worth of dating. Believe me, I know >:C.
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Re: The "gay" accent
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2010, 08:39:57 pm »

Asexualism is convenient when nobody immediately around you seems worth of dating. Believe me, I know >:C.
I just find the "love" in relationships to not be real.
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« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2010, 01:27:19 am »

Asexualism is convenient when nobody immediately around you seems worth of dating. Believe me, I know >:C.
I just find the "love" in relationships to not be real.
You mean its not an unconditional floaty-thingy that people make it out to be.
Thus dissapointing you greatly.
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Re: The "gay" accent
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2010, 12:56:09 pm »

On the other hand of the spectrum, I have at least two guys on me class that fit http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday, except in that at they don't have anything to hide, well, except for one of them who talks rather suspiciously. I don't explicitely tell everyone I meet that I'm gay, and since I have no interest on anyone in my class, I tend to pass as rather ambigous to everyone. This causes things to get hilarious at times.

Anyway, few things are funnier then two guys being dodgy in a conversation and forcing the manly stereotype over themselves everytime I talk to them.
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Re: The "gay" accent
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2010, 01:43:40 pm »

I don't think I've met a single gay guy with that flamboyant accent, interestingly enough though I do know a lot of hetrosexual guys who do have that style of voice.
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