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Author Topic: How did Toady One make Dwarf Fortress compatible on PC/Mac/Linux?  (Read 1792 times)

purplearcanist

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I know that Toady One managed to program the entire thing in C/C++, yet the language is dependent upon the platform.  My question is, how did he get DF to run across multiple platforms?  It appears like he used a wine script, but I would like to know more specifics.
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Re: How did Toady One make Dwarf Fortress compatible on PC/Mac/Linux?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 10:42:57 pm »

Language dependent on the platform? C(++) isn't platform-specific at all.
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Re: How did Toady One make Dwarf Fortress compatible on PC/Mac/Linux?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 10:51:59 pm »

Well porting from one platform to nother doesn't add a lot of time to the project.

With OSX core being being an offshot of Linux, it makes transfer to both of these not-hard.

I also think Toady outsources porting to Mac. Or the first mac port was done by someone else.
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Re: How did Toady One make Dwarf Fortress compatible on PC/Mac/Linux?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 10:56:10 pm »

The difficulty of porting a project depends very much on how it's written.

If you write a program without cross-platform releases in mind, then it's easy for you to include all kinds of extremely platform-dependent stuff and have a hell of a time trying to port it later.
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Re: How did Toady One make Dwarf Fortress compatible on PC/Mac/Linux?
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 11:04:06 pm »

DF (the 40d# versions anyway) uses OpenGL, SDL, and OpenAL (I think? I know there was also something about FMOD, or maybe I'm just confused) for its interface. All of these are cross-platform. (presumably) Everything else is non-platform-dependent because it doesn't interface with the OS at all.
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Re: How did Toady One make Dwarf Fortress compatible on PC/Mac/Linux?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 11:06:28 pm »

Ah, you can't necessarily say "everything else". Even something as simple as a function for getting a list of files/directories from a location on the hard can easily wind up being OS-dependent, just as an arbitrary and simple example.

Apparently, though, in DF's case it's not a big issue.
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Re: How did Toady One make Dwarf Fortress compatible on PC/Mac/Linux?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2010, 11:19:03 pm »

A lot of functions in C/C++ can be programmed in ways that aren't overly platform specific. The problem comes from when you try to optimize code for speed, which can lose flexibility.

Sometimes, libraries from one platform do not exist in another, or are different.. so yes, for listing files from directory X, you end up needing to write code that can handle either case. These days, this is often done with something called a pre-processor. C/C++ has this. You write your code to insert whichever piece of code it needs, based on which OS it's being compiled on (or even which compiler.)

It's nontrivial to explain in more detail. :D
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Re: How did Toady One make Dwarf Fortress compatible on PC/Mac/Linux?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 11:21:04 pm »

It's in the development history, but basically Toady released a game that had similar interface libraries to Dwarf Fortress, and people ported that. Then he plugged that into Dwarf Fortress and got Mac and Linux native versions.

That was also how the OpenGL stuff was done.
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