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[Arkenstone]

Hey I don't know exactly what's being done for creatures in the new release; so I'm trying to be a bit more vague here.  Also, I don't know whether or not I'm going over covered ground, but if I am then I'm sorry. (never enough time...)

I was thinking that if the fish 'problem' remains in new version that there might be a good way to balance it out while still keeping the humor in it.  You could set all (freshwater) fish to [FISHITEM]&[VERMIN_FISH](provided these tags still exist)...
Except for Carp.


Leave Carp as it is (except maybe remove [BENIGN]), and make an entirely new line of killers based off of them.

Giant Carp:  like a Carp, but size 9
Whale Carp:  size 16
Blood Carp:  dark red, add [LARGE_PREDATOR][SAVAGE][CARNIVORE] and maybe some nastier attacks
Death Carp:  like Blood Carp, but [EVIL] instead of [SAVAGE].
Mud Carp:  don't know how to do this one; the idea is that it could waddle out of the river from time to time to attack dwarves near the riverbanks, but then there's nothing keeping them from waddling across the entire map to get at you (but that might be a good thing, if they're really slow out of the water...)
Flying Carp:  no, you didn't see this, move along.
Holy Carp(!!!):  this one's a bit tricky... needs something to make it special beyond the [GOOD] tag.
Lava Carp:  once again, don't know how to do this.  Magma/Fire Men/Imps all have [NOBREATH]&[SWIMS_INNATE]... does this mean DF treats magma just like 12000 degree water?

I know that all this has probably been been said before;  but I'd at least like to have this in some of the the first player mods for DF 2010.

[alfie275]

Could help if you put this in modding.

[kotekzot]

Yes, LOL RANDUM XD things are better left to mods. Magical carp doesn't really seem to fit the direction vanilla DF is going. AND you won't have to wait 6 months for it to get done, too.

[Footkerchief]

I was thinking that if the fish 'problem' remains in new version

It doesn't.  Carp are no longer all that scary.

[ungulateman]

Drowning is still lethal, therefore, fish are still dangerous. But to a lesser extent, thanks to material rewrites.

[Arkenstone]

Could help if you put this in modding.

Ok, I moved it.  You're right, it should have been here all along, I just wasn't thinking where I was putting it...

Still, I think that if the fish problem's been removed, it should be put back in; just for Fun!

P.S. I do however agree that all this shouldn't be in vanilla DF (but it should be paid homage to, like in engravings and stuff)

[Zaranthan]

Ok, I moved it.  You're right, it should have been here all along, I just wasn't thinking where I was putting it...

Still, I think that if the fish problem's been removed, it should be put back in; just for Fun!

P.S. I do however agree that all this shouldn't be in vanilla DF (but it should be paid homage to, like in engravings and stuff)

Make your mod, then. It wouldn't be difficult to rig up your ubermench carp, but it's gotta be done, and that takes longer than a forum post.

[Arkenstone]

It wouldn't be difficult to rig up your ubermench carp

Du bedeutest Überkarpfen!

Yes, I know; what I'd like is some suggestions/comment/critique on what I already have.

[Bishop36]

It looks good, you should make it.

[Arkenstone]

Oh, I will- but after the release of DF 2010 (don't want all my hard work Fun to be for nothing!)