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Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« on: March 11, 2010, 05:01:57 pm »

yes, can I get humans or elves to hate me so much that they'll actually attack me?
That's what I'm wondering about.
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 05:06:21 pm »

Yes but its apparently pretty hard.   
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 05:59:04 pm »

If you mean they start at war with you, they can but it's very rare.
If you mean giving the crappy deals and/or not trading with them at all, no.
If you mean seizing all their Rope reed cloth then yes.

If you don't trade (Or don't trade for a good profit) they'll just bring less and less stuff, elves this is good, they start bringing GOOD stuff instead of cloth, humans, less so.
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 06:22:18 pm »

Here's a partial list of things that will cause the elves to dislike you. Note that if they start bringing non-cloth items, they might be getting tired of your nonsense:

1) Collect some firewood. The more logs you have in your stockpile, even if the elves themselves gave the logs to you, the more grumpy they'll be when their diplomat comes by. Note that you need at least a baron.
2) Trade them stuff. Things coated in non-goblin/kobold blood ticks them off if I recall, and wooden things (and wood derivatives, such as green glass) will similarly infuriate them. It's possible this isn't actually effective... unless combined with
3) Loot. Loot, loot, loot. Take everything on the caravan without giving them an Armok-damned dime. This one will actually work with the humans, too, eventually.
4) Walls... Once you take everything that could theoretically be of value, wall up the trade depot and receive quality entertainment as the elves and their mounts gradually go insane and murder one another. Then sell their bones-made-crafts to the dwarven caravan. Again, this works with the humans.
Ticking off the humans isn't as good as elves, since they'll actually bring real weapons instead of toy (don't allow near small dwarves) wooden swords. And you get to actually select purchases from them, making them vaguely useful. Especially if you're trying to buy more wood to annoy the elves.
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 06:32:48 pm »

Yes. And it's pretty easy. Just build a drowning trap for your trade depot, and drown every caravan that visits until a siege comes instead. And request the most expensive stuff you can, since you aren't going to be paying for it anyway (and more expensive stuff will probably piss off the civ faster).
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 06:39:10 pm »

I recall playing a game where I got a human siege in winter of year 2, before I'd even hit 50 dwarves. Their diplomat got killed by a goblin ambush and I guess they blamed me?

So that may be a good fast-track to fighting the humans. off the merchant prince, see how they like you now!

It's anecdotal though, so who knows, maybe it was just a fluke.
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 02:11:08 am »

Ignore their liaisons, they leave upset.
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2010, 06:37:25 pm »

Kill their liaisons, they leave corpses.
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 04:32:00 am »

OH MY GOD.

I don't know WHAT ON EARTH I DID, but the elves ambushed me! They ran right into my fortress and are killing everything in sight! I haven't even traded with elves!

Yes. Yes you can make the elves hate you. By existing.
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 05:01:14 am »

Sometimes they start out at war with you, I think.

Also

Ignore their liaisons, they leave upset.

Kill their liaisons, they leave corpses.

I sea what you did there. Hur hur.
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Re: Elves, humans, can they hate me?
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2010, 08:47:38 am »

The only reliable way to start a war I know if, is to kill their diplomats (including liasons). 
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