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[seanose]

Sorry if this has been asked before; I searched here and on the wiki and got nothing.

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How long do demons stay invisible?

So I carefully breached a HFS pit, sprinted my unbelievably agile miner back to the fort, and put everyone on high alert.  Soon enough, forbidden doors are being mysteriously destroyed, hatches going up in smoke, etc.

The trap I've laid for the demons is just a criss-cross walkway in front of fortifications with archers behind.

The problem is, the demons broke every coffin along this walkway, but my archers never saw them.  The demons broke the final door, well past the archers, at the final drawbridge behind which is the rest of my fort.  I raised the drawbridge after I realized the bad guys were going to go past my archers.

I have no idea how to reveal them.  Normally the "horrors!" occurs when you spot one, but why didn't my crossbow militia see them and start firing?

Very puzzling.

[Edited for spoiliness.]

[Derakon]

To my knowledge, you need for a unit to be directly adjacent to the stealthed creature to detect it. Hiding behind fortifications puts you too far away.

[seanose]

If that is true---which I dearly hope it is not---can I send a single peasant in to reveal them *all*, or would he just reveal the one or two he gets killed by?

It really should be a line of sight thing.  This is quite frustrating.

[seanose]

I should also note I'm playing the Dig Deeper mod.  I don't think it matters, but it may.

I've slaughtered tons of Orc waves in the crisscross of death.

I thought demons--especially non fire-breathing ones--would be no different...

I guess I'll just have to develop my hand-to-hand military.

[Derakon]

Line of sight is expensive to calculate, so it's not bothered with in Fortress mode.

Your single peasant would reveal every demon he gets adjacent to before he dies. He might not reveal things if he gets knocked unconscious; I've not experimented.

And yes, learning to run a melee military is useful. For one thing, crossbows are useless against the undead, and you'll probably eventually want to try playing on evil maps.

And did you really expect for the demons to be easy? They're the nastiest enemies you can get in the base game.

Finally, edit your posts instead of double-posting, please.

[Magua]

If they're not the firebreathing kind, close the door/raise the bridge to trap them, then throw kittens in.  Kitten encounters thing, makes it visible, thing can get shot.  Kitten may die, but, meh.

[seanose]

Ah, the kittens idea is spectacular.

I actually hit the "modify" button to edit the post; I thought this simply changed the post without double posting.

I definitely don't look for easy games: I'm playing Dig Deeper in a Terrifying area.

Thanks for the kittens idea.

[Derakon]

I didn't suggest dumping kittens in largely because some demons can fly. All Spirits of Fire can, for example -- but there's also one plain "Demon" in every pit that can also fly.