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[Armok]

As I said, there is no best language, different languages are good for different things, my argument was for a hypothetical situation IF there was a best language.
And I know it updates, but there are some fundamental things you simply can't fix without making it into a completely new language, for example features like platform independence, real time interpretation and eval type functions, more intuitive core syntax, etc. And C++ shuldn't get some of those even if it could, because they are tradeofs, and would might it less good a the things it curently does do well.

[qwertyuiopas]

The reason C and C++ are still popular is speed.

They are highly optimized at compile time, so most games use them to get a better framerate.
Starcraft 2 in python: <1 FPS.

[IndonesiaWarMinister]

The reason C and C++ are still popular is speed.

They are highly optimized at compile time, so most games use them to get a better framerate.
Starcraft 2 in python: <1 FPS.

I thought pure Python was fast?

Also, I thought it was pyGame who got MANY problem with 3D?

[Armok]

The reason C and C++ are still popular is speed.

They are highly optimized at compile time, so most games use them to get a better framerate.
Starcraft 2 in python: <1 FPS.

Assembler is faster.

And there is, in fact, at least one (Linoleum) assembler that don't have all the compatibility problems and programmer headache usually associated with assembler.

[eerr]

The reason C and C++ are still popular is speed.

They are highly optimized at compile time, so most games use them to get a better framerate.
Starcraft 2 in python: <1 FPS.

Assembler is faster.

And there is, in fact, at least one (Linoleum) assembler that don't have all the compatibility problems and programmer headache usually associated with assembler.

Yea... assembler might be 50% faster, but 1/100 the speed to code.

so thats really not feasible for a videogame of any size at all.

assuming the game programming devs can even write assembly.

[G-Flex]

Assembler is hardly even a programming language; it's virtually as low-level as you can get. It's basically just intended as an easier way to write out what amounts to machine code, and is good for tweaking programs that have already been compiled.

[Alexhans]

As I keep saying:

The RIGHT tool for the RIGHT Job!!

Argh!!

PS: I'd like to see you write an RTS like Starcraft in Assembler.   

[Armok]

As I keep saying:

The RIGHT tool for the RIGHT Job!!

Argh!!

PS: I'd like to see you write an RTS like Starcraft in Assembler.   

Just you wait! If I ever do get the motivation to make a game, it actually WILL be in linoleum, wich is an assembler. And if you know it, and have the right kind of assembler (for example linoleum) it can be almost as fast to write as C, or faster depending on what exactly you want to do, remember that the that a good amount of time in any programming productive is spent optimizing, and also an assembler tend to be more limited in it's complexity meaning you spend lots less time shuffling through manuals or figuring out how to apply good programming practice, because there is only one thing to do it.

[G-Flex]

That's kind of like saying it's easier to build a house out of individual atoms one-by-one because you don't have to deal with things like "types of wood".

[Armok]

It IS easier building a house out of individual atoms, if you have nanotechnology. It is also easier to build the nanotechnology out of individual atoms than out of different kinds of wood.

[Alexhans]

Spoiler: "Ok, Armok... you asked for it:" (click to show/hide)

[Armok]

Heh, I guess that's supposed to be sarcasm? That image comes pretty close to my actual philosophy... I do indeed strive to be able to do that, and will never quite consider myself a real programmer until I can.

Thou, I guess hex is a reasonable middle ground.

[Jakkarra]

Can we have a comprehensive list of the advantages of each language?

Going from Java, python, The C's and assembler.

Also, LOLcode look fun to write.

[qwertyuiopas]

The issue with pure assembly is that the C/C++ compiler is WAY smarter than you when it comes to finding the fastest way to do something. Multiplying by 9? Will most likely turn n*9 into n<<2+n, and anytime someone improves the compiler, you can recompile for marginal speed gains. Plus, converting between processor archetectures is possible. 32-bit assembly is not compatible with 64-bit, at least not as compatible as C code.

Yes, linoleum is close to being cross-platform assembly, BUT, it is only faster in the hands of a skilled professional who understands how to find the most optimal method. With C you have over 30 years of assembly language experts behind your optimization, though most of it is general solutions, so you don't get the *best* code in one situation, you get *very good* code in most situations.

Plus, C and C++ can support inline assembly(might vary with the compiler), and you can half-compile and "optimize" it yourself in assembly form.