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Greiger

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Re: Dragon Pillbox?
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 10:46:56 pm »

I think if you use raising bridges instead of floodgates the pillbox could work with little modification.

Perhaps if you replace the floodgates with this.
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_ floor  # wall \ Ramp I Drawbrige(raised) -- Drawbrige(lowered)
Side view Path closed.

_  I_
#\_##

Side View Path open.

_--__
#\_##

Rig it up so that the bridge you want the dragon to path to is the one that is lowered, and the one that will be closed is raised.  Unless you gave the dragons flier it should not be able to reach the bridge to smash it, but still allow it to path when you want it to.

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Re: Dragon Pillbox?
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2009, 10:59:18 pm »

Hmm, I didn't realize that building destroyers would take out pressure plates (how did I not know that?).

Sorry, maybe I phrased that awkwardly; the Dragon didn't destroy the pressure plate, just the floodgate that closed. It didn't recalculate it's path to try to go through the new open gate, just kept going straight through the closed one.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 01:04:31 am »

Hmm, I didn't realize that building destroyers would take out pressure plates (how did I not know that?).

Sorry, maybe I phrased that awkwardly; the Dragon didn't destroy the pressure plate, just the floodgate that closed. It didn't recalculate it's path to try to go through the new open gate, just kept going straight through the closed one.

Ah. Got it. Try a bridge instead then.

The trick there is that floodgates fully toggle, but I don't think the bridges do - I don't believe you can hook a lever to a raised bridge and a lowered bridge and have the one lower when the other raises. Might need to experiment a bit there.

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In a previous version (I think my first 3D fortress) I had a dragon show up just before a goblin siege arrived and they went at it. The dragon took out 4 or 5 squads of gobbos and some trolls - I don't think any of the gobbos ever reached the dragon not on fire. It was very awesome.

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Re: Dragon Pillbox?
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2009, 10:55:01 am »

Tangentially; I was just admiring the Westlash fort in your signature. I'd love to hear more about what that involved. You say that there was no immigration, so what was your starting population like? It certainly looks ready to withstand invasion, but was invasion on while you were building that? I'm kinda in awe.  :o
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2009, 01:24:06 pm »

So a dragon has to be able to path to breathe fire, eh?...

Someone should make a list of what does and what does not block pathing.  AKA does water block pathing?  Will a dragon try to swim through water to get to enemies, or is it smart enough to stop?
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Re: Dragon Pillbox?
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2009, 02:18:33 pm »

Rather than threadjack here (because it's a good discussion) I responded on Westlash over in the Morul thread.

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Re: Dragon Pillbox?
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2009, 03:27:52 pm »

Quite literally building on Martin's idea, I reckon I have this bitch solved. Rather than having the dragon activate the floodgates, you could have alternating repeaters. As long as the repeaters were equal (so gave the same amount of time before the floodgates switched, the dragon should run the same distance and still be able to fire at the enemy. The only real question is the minimum length for a corridor.

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Re: Dragon Pillbox?
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2009, 04:39:04 pm »

It only repaths after it hits an obstacle.
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