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JoshuaFH

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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2009, 01:40:46 am »
Can you elaborate on how 'corrupt' Indonesia is? Because I barely know anything about the country myself.
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IndonesiaWarMinister

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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2009, 01:43:20 am »
And I think we have 2 ways to get the corruption go down.
Either:
Make the law strong again.
or:
Advocate that corruption is sin. <- This is against secularism, BTW.

@Chaoticjosh:
IIRC, it's one of the worst after the African countries.
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Muz

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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2009, 02:12:11 am »
If you have to bribe someone to get a job or to get into some unis, I'd say that's way corrupt. I had an Indonesian maid who was trying to gather enough money to bribe her way into a job. And while a lot of the neighboring corruption is under the table ($200 set of crappy screwdrivers), in Indonesia, a lot of it is over the table. Contractors would just go "Hey, I could enlarge your kitchen for free, but only if you get your company to pay my company a little extra."

Corruption is pretty damn tough to cure, especially when it's already ingrained in the culture like that.
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IndonesiaWarMinister

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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2009, 02:22:44 am »
There is a way.

FANATICISM.

Or, The Complete Brain-Washing of the Learning Generation.
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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2009, 11:49:55 am »
Yeah, fanaticism is a great idea.  Just look to Iran.  Complete theocracy and there is no corruption at all *cough*.

A strong press can help beat corruption, as can heavy bureaucracy.  Sure, it wastes tonnes of money, but it stops corruption dead if you have to leave a huge paper trail.
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IndonesiaWarMinister

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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2009, 11:27:11 pm »
Actually, here, bureaucracy = corruption.
so yeah.
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Muz

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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2009, 08:35:46 am »
That's because the bureaucrats aren't (legally) making as much as engineers, doctors, and lawyers, unlike in some other countries :P
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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2009, 05:16:08 am »
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_8150000/newsid_8155100/8155141.stm

JAKARTA IS UNDER ATTACK!

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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2009, 04:53:35 pm »
You use Children's BBC, Warminister?
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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2009, 07:37:51 pm »
Corrupt government? This is worth noting how?
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Re: The Indonesian General Election
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2009, 03:39:32 am »
The reason our governments appear as corrupt is due to the bureacracy and the strong press.  For instance, Trousergate would never have happened if they didn't keep a stupid and virtually useless list of MPs' expenses.
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