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dogstile

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Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« on: June 20, 2009, 10:03:51 am »

The way i want to deny access to my fort from orc's is by channelling off the path into my fort while leaving 2x2 pillars every now and then i can build bridges on them. the bridges would be facing outwards on each pillar so when i pull the lever, they raise up and anything on them gets crushed. The question is, will this work? I know that orc's have building destroyer, so I'm worried about them destroying my bridges before i can raise them, will they?
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2009, 11:18:55 am »

well, possibly if there is nothing else for them to do, but I'd guess that you could probably use the atom smashers without too much risk

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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2009, 12:05:52 pm »

...when i pull the lever, they raise up and anything on them gets crushed. The question is, will this work?...

Not crushing, no.  Atom smashers work when they drop on something in their landing zone - when they raise and objects/creatures are on them, they fling them about.
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2009, 01:23:58 pm »

Aha, so i can't raise 2 bridges up and crush them between them...damn, that sucks  :(
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 01:44:06 pm »

Bridges are the hammer - you need an anvil.
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 02:00:16 pm »

I thought if they were under something they smashed anything when they raised up against the cieling.
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 02:46:26 pm »

When a drawbridge raises, one edge of the drawbridge becomes a wall.  Anything standing on a map tile that becomes a wall when the bridge raises will be crushed just as if the bridge had come down on them.  I don't think this even needs a ceiling to be above the bridge to happen.  So yes, if you make a path made up of 1 tile long raising drawbridges, you can make them crush things walking over them when they raise.
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 05:36:26 pm »

Even if it does fling them you're gonna kill at least the majority of them as being flung into a wall by a bridge is a lot like... being flung into a wall by a hammerdwarf.
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 07:12:13 pm »

When a drawbridge raises, one edge of the drawbridge becomes a wall.  Anything standing on a map tile that becomes a wall when the bridge raises will be crushed just as if the bridge had come down on them.  I don't think this even needs a ceiling to be above the bridge to happen.  So yes, if you make a path made up of 1 tile long raising drawbridges, you can make them crush things walking over them when they raise.

my question is that, hmm, a demonstrations in order i think

put both your hands so that your fingers are in the middle, touching
now raise  the outside of your hands so that your palms are touching

now anything on your hands would be crushed between the two if you did it with enough force, thats what i am trying to do

now i don't know if that'll still fling them or not, because i'm not sure how the flinging system works myself,  can anyone clear that up (sorry for any newbieness :P)
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 11:25:39 pm »

Bridges in DF don't just raise, like a drawbridge might, they fold up (how else could you explain a 10-tile bridge 'raising' into a 1-tile wall).

When a bridge is raised, anything on it gets thrown straight up into the air (regardless of when kind of bridge it is, even if it's a retracting bridge) and then falls a random distance off in random direction (independent of the 'direction' the bridge was raised). I've never seen a creature die from just this.

When a bridge is lowered, anything below not sufficiently resilient is crushed into powder.
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2009, 12:12:04 am »

Bridges fling units more or less randomly. You definitely can't aim it and it's not very dangerous unless they happen to be flung into the side of the mountain or similar obstruction you their continued trajectory.
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2009, 08:15:28 am »

damn, that would have been fun

ok, cheers guys
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2009, 09:59:54 am »

So yes, if you make a path made up of 1 tile long raising drawbridges, you can make them crush things walking over them when they raise.

Never made a 1-tile long drawbridge - it's so crazy, it just might work!
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Re: Idea for an ultimate atom smasher
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2009, 09:50:32 pm »

My way:

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the bridges are build on solid ground and it is folded when no siege. they are connected to pressure plates and by the time of sieges it is activated by my ultimate kitten that runs all over.
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