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[Bloogonis]

ta, Beehives don't grow... unless you have the seeds listed a honey bees. it would still be strange having honey combs growing out of the dirt next to a plump helmet.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Bee Hives are a sufficiently unique thing that they will need some special consideration at the code level to be implemented properly.  For one they should fall under the skill of the Animal Caretaker rather then Planter and the Hive needs to be a piece of wooden furniture which then houses a semi-permanent bee colony.

[Tenebrais]

You can just make a plant called "Bee Hive."

It would look something like this (2 minute quick build)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[MATGLOSS_PLANT:BEE_HIVE]
   [TILE:239][COLOR:6:0:1]
   [NAME:bee hive][NAME_PLURAL:bee hive]
   [GROWDUR:500][VALUE:2]
   [PREFSTRING:look its bees, mmm honey]
   [WET][DRY][BIOME:terrain type]
   [SEEDNAME:queen brood][SEED:6:0:0]
   [DRINK:mead:6:0:1]
   [DRINKVALUE:2]
   [MILL:bee's wax:7:0:1]
   [MILL_VALUE:20]
   [EXTRACT:honey:6:0:1]
   [EXTRACTVALUE:50]
   [EXTRACT_BARREL]
   [EXTRACT_COOKABLE]
   [GENPOWER:1]
   [SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN]
   [FREQUENCY:50]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [EDIBLE_VERMIN]

Personally, I wouldn't have it as growable in a farm. At least it makes vague sense that you'd find beehives in bushes and such in the wild without being able to grow them as crops.

But yes, as Impaler said, a new system for beehives and related materials (if there are any related substances that aren't entirely fictional) would be much preferable. Of course, there's a lot of systems which would be great to have which would require new handling, and I feel confident that Toady will eventually get round to putting in as many as possible...

[sunshaker]

Personally, I wouldn't have it as growable in a farm. At least it makes vague sense that you'd find beehives in bushes and such in the wild without being able to grow them as crops.

But yes, as Impaler said, a new system for beehives and related materials (if there are any related substances that aren't entirely fictional) would be much preferable. Of course, there's a lot of systems which would be great to have which would require new handling, and I feel confident that Toady will eventually get round to putting in as many as possible...

It is a quick fix and not a solid game play fix, just like putting fruit trees in as plants and making smelter reactions to turn them into wood. I'd love to have trees get a token [HAS_FRUIT] (with the associated name of fruit, edibility, booze, extracts) which Toady could add in sometime to the code, but until then I'll stick with the long grow duration fruit plants.

[Bloogonis]

Related materials with bees would be:

Queen Bee(Vermin)
Virgin Queen Bee(Vermin)
Worker Bee(Vermin)
Drone Bee(Vermin)

Honey Comb(Millable? Consumable Raw?)
-BeesWax(Material)
-Honey(food)
-Royal Jelly(food maybe? small % chance to obtain)

and having a beehive within X steps of a farm plot should improve it, like a fertilizer but probably to a lesser extent.

having a hive dynamic coded would also make the possibility of making the ants more interesting, bonus points if the ants farm aphids. it would also allow wasp nests which could provide Paper, and hornets nests which could just be annoying pests.

ooo and maybe some dwarfs could be allergic to bees!

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[Craftling]

Do the hives go on the farm or are they a seperate building? And how would the dwarves get the bees in a hive?

[LegoLord]

Do the hives go on the farm or are they a seperate building? And how would the dwarves get the bees in a hive?

Separate buildings, wiki seems to imply that we've just had beekeeping for ages and can't really know how it started.  Doesn't seem to say how they were domesticated.

[The-Moon]

goto Df\raw\objects

Open up matgloss_plant.txt

Add in at the bottem or below the normal cave plants...

Code: [Select]

[MATGLOSS_PLANT:BEEHIVE_CAVE]
[TILE:38][COLOR:6:0:1]
[NAME:cave beehive][NAME_PLURAL:cave beehives]
[GROWDUR:500][VALUE:3]
[DRINK:dwarven mead:6:0:1]
[DRINKVALUE:4]
[EXTRACT:dwarven honey:6:0:1]
[EXTRACTVALUE:20]
[EXTRACT_BARREL]
[EXTRACT_COOKABLE]
[SEED:6:0:1]
[SEEDNAME:cave bee queen]
[GENPOWER:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[PREFSTRING:honeycombs]
[WET][DRY][BIOME_SUBTERRANEAN_WATER]
You will have to make a whole new map however to use this, any old fortresses wont be able to use it.

[Mikademus]

If we get honey, we should get tea.  Tea goes well with a little honey.

Not to mention the cat tallow scones.

I think you mean =prickle berry scones=. 
This is an exceptional prickle berry scone.  It is made from finely minced prickle berry, exceptionally minced cave wheat flour, and exceptionally minced dwarven wine.

So Dwarf culinary arts is basically chopping up the ingredients finely? So the ultimate dorf food is thus paste. Come the food processor everyone will be legendary chefs.

[profit]

Honey is a "sweet" idea.   Just hopefully the bee's will be abstracted and we dont have 6 million pages of bee's on our units list page.

[alfie275]

How about giant dwarf eating bees that make proper nests, lke with 1 tile walls and stuff defined in RAWs, in the caves, and you can mine honey comb by invading them or trade animals or goblins to them in return for honey.

[Byakugan01]

Actually, I can make a good guess-Bees that swarm aren't as dangerous, since they don't have a home to defend (killer bees are a very recent phenomenon, FYI-and one we made). In that state, smoke is often used to knock them down, so possibly someone used smoke to "herd" them into a hollow log. Very primitive, but some forms of beehives are essentially hollow logs. (and even if they're in a hive, smoking the hive will cause the bees to gorge on honey, making their abdomens too inflexible to sting. Which, BTW, is why that's done when a hive is harvested for honey-and it might have been how a hive might have been transported). of course, since smoke involves fire and this is dwarf fortress...

[Neonivek]

Royal Jelly is food but it would require someone to know what they are looking for or else they are likely to mix it with ordinary honey effectively wasting it.

Each proper hive actually has quite a bit of Royal Jelly 500 grams worth.

Note: I am not an expert.

[Bloogonis]

we aren't asking how to make beehives plants, that would be something to ask in the modding forum anyway.

royal jelly would have a low percentage of creation, like galena for silver except only maybe 5% chanceinstead of 50%. That way a novice animal trainer(or whatever skill would gather the comb) will usually not get it, or maybe couple it with a tag like [Pet_Exotic] so only a DM can extract it properly?

Lego... when you said wiki and the "We had beekeeping for ages" made me think it was in DF and the wiki was DF-wiki... bad lego

[Neonivek]

I don't really think it should have a percent chance of occuring.

It should be produced and depending on the skill of the gatherer they would get a certain amount.

They get incomplete vials of Royal Jelly. When get enough it gets a complete Vial of Royal Jelly. (similar to the way Recycling is in the game)

A Proficiant Gatherer/Beekeeper would get a vial everytime. Further skill determines how much damage they do to a hive gathering this. Legendary Beekeepers almost never harm the hive and encourage growth while a novice would destroy a hive and get attacked on mass.