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[umiman]

Counterpoint: There's no real reason to have a place to vent stupid on this board. This board is not the whole internet. People who want to vent stupid can very easily go elsewhere to do so. The existence of a board designated for the sole purpose of stupid simply promotes this behaviour.

[Kagus]

IS there anybody who still plays Armok?  I thought no one had the "good" version anymore.  I would certainly consider that board a relic, yes...  But if it is still in use and I'm just not aware of it, then that's fine (frankly, I think LCS is far more deserving of its own section at this point.  Only problem is that Armok doesn't really fit into Curses).

A couple people here have agreed that simply removing the VN board would likely cause a burst into the other areas.  Of course people won't stop acting like that with the drop of a hat, not now.  There was a time when it was such a minor amount that I would really have expected it to simply fizzle if the board were to disappear or if a new update were to come.  Now?  Don't think so.

I've really stopped expecting VN to clean itself up with the new version.  Yes, there will be the usual activity drop over the whole forum as people play DF, but when they start filtering back in I don't think there will be that big of a change in VN.  Prove me wrong.  I beg you.


Now, Aqizzar...  Yeah, I am trying to say what is or isn't allowable on what I would consider an optimal board by my standards.  I have no say in what goes on here (although I have just as much right as anyone else to give my opinion about it).  But how can I guilt someone into going back to something they never were?  A lot of people have left the board since then, and a lot of new people have come in.

As for the "old guard" (I don't remember who it was who first coined that term), we're just the old farts who have been hanging around here longer than most.  There's really no higher status, unless you're into that sort of thing (I've found "elders" to be just as capable of stupidity and ignorance as any newcomers).

It's just that since they were around back when the forum was different (and regardless of your opinion as to how big/beneficial that change might have been, you still have to admit that things have changed), and thus I assume that there are others who preferred things the way they were.

I am a representative only in the sense that I am a member.  And I am a member only because I have been declared one by others.

Yes, I was able to ignore the subforum last month.  And the month before that.  And the month before that.  And before that again, and again, and again.  My patience is getting pretty damned thin.  Furthermore, I only just recently looked in there to see how things had gotten recently.  What did I see?  Well, I saw the CIB appreciation thread (an acronym I was unfamiliar with, and thus had no expectations for what lay within), and a "-" copycat thread that was even more mindlessly spammy than what I remember of the original, and I saw the VN map with the shining lulz sun casting its rays over the landscape below.

This is not a farewell thread.  This is not an "I'm ignoring you" thread (if anything, this is a thread spawned by my inability to continue ignoring).  This is an open message asking anyone who is also in disagreement with the current forum if they had thought about the possibility of splitting off and creating a separate community.  I neither expect nor intend to change this board.  That's why I want to go somewhere else, preferably with the folks I know and respect from here.

You wanna call this serious business and butthurt?  Go right ahead.  I mean, heck, that's what this place is for, isn't it?  Chilling out like that?

[Jackrabbit]

I have No way of comprehending your problem. You can't ignore the sub forum? How is it that you can't ignore something that has no effect save some stupid derailments that are dealt with? deal with it. if you want to move to a new forum or make one do so but do you really expect that that will make things like they were? Noone has stayed the same over the years. How likley is it that they are gonna recreate an environment that you think was like the "good old days"? Really? 

[Akroma]

it's called a "dynamic community"

your good old days are gone and won't come back. Complain about it as much as you like, it does not improve the situation. In fact, your complains make things worse.
They divide the community into "new" and "old" evenmoreso than before.

I used to be a moderator on a hentai forum, and I have been there for a looong time (yes, while I still was a minor, go sue me).
Anyway, I have seen the forum go through many stages, community wise and content wise, and I can say one thing for sure.

Things become REALLY bad once people start to give names to groups or to periods of time. Soon the board was divided into leechers (those who where only there for the porn) and into "quality members" (yes, that was the actual term they used).
And both groupes were again divided into groups depending on how long they have been on the forum.
Soon everybody started talking about how everything was better around the time they joined.
It became a horrible mess, and the mod-team had whole handfuls of work to do.
I have banned over 132 people (and considering how loose our ban-policy was, that was a lot) and most of them were so called "quality members".

The mods (by that time, also an isoltaed group on the board, probably the greatest elitsist of them all) discussed a lot about at what point it went wrong, and we have come to the conclusion that each generation of users always refered to "good old days" regardless of what point of time they joined.
And the newbies were the only ones who never complained about anything, always stating "it ain't so bad"

The answer is easy.

Novelty-factor.

In the first 3 months of someone joining a forum, they are usually the most active during that time, and enjoy the forum the most. they make friends during that time and stick with them for the rest of their stay.

The longer one stays on a forum, the more "bored" you get of it, simply because that novelty is gone. You feel discontent, though you are not sure why, so you pick out some more or elss random undesirables and blame them for your boredom.

You, Kagus, who has been here for ages, are subject to this theory, what we mods used to call "attrition through repetition".


Do NOT blame things on others and do NOT make more posts like this, because people will pick up your complains and it will become a fad.
Yes, a fad.
Complaining easily can become trendy.



if I had the ability, I would lock the thread now, but I can't.

[Jackrabbit]

Because you have said what needs to be said, I think I can go off topic just a tad and ask: how did you become a mod on a hentai forum? Those places seem pretty lawless to me. And how did you Actually go abou. Becoming a mod?

[Akroma]

at the beginning, we had 2 Admins and a core-userbase of maybe only 500. Out of those, the admins knew many people quite well over IM, and after we broke the 3000-user number, they picked some mods amongst those that seemed the most trustworthy to get the job done right. But that was not the time around which I became a mod.

after a few years, one of the admisn left, and the other admin started a huge redesign of the page, by dividing all boards into over 124 sub-boards. Also, he created a gallery, containing a METRIC FUCKTON of err...content,(the admin was the owner of a paysite, and provided the stuff that so many had to pay for for free to us. No wonder he went bankrupt) also allowing user-owned content to be uploaded.

Since there were now so many specialised sub-sections, and also a gallery with a tag-system that needed to be supervised, he simply made a mod-application topic, where one should state the reason as to why one would be a good mod, depending on how long one has been a member, on your activity (not post count, but activity) and your posting history, meaning that only people who had a white west were allowed.

Out of over 300 applications, 10 were picked, me amongst them.
If I asked why, I would guess because I slept with a senior mod I would guess because I was indeed a worthwhile member.


anyway, by that time we had over 10.000 members (not even counting all those 0-Post accounts), so there was not really a way that only 15 mods could keep the place clean. Hence why a single mod racked up so many bans at once (by the way, only junior mod to get more than 100)

[Kagus]

Well, this thread has been up for a while now and I have only succeeded in causing misunderstanding and conflict.  I was kinda hoping that those who did not feel a problem with the forums would simply ignore this thread, as it does not apply to them.  However, that quite obviously was not the case, and I've managed to upset quite a few people in the process of trying to reach out to others of my mindset.

So I think I will in fact take your advice (although it was not really advice, merely a statement) Akroma, and lock this before it gets even nastier.  I am sorry for whatever discomfort I may have caused to anyone, as that was not at all my intent.

If there really is anyone who wants to talk about this subject matter further, send me a message.  This thread isn't helping anyone.