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[Shadowex3]

I've got a relatively well developed fort and enough of pretty much anything except coal to make pretty much anything I want, and with my magma forge area filling up soon that won't be a problem either. Only difficulty is that my wood source is outside and it doesn't seem to matter how well I wall off the edges of the map the bastards still spawn INSIDE my fortifications.

So, is there some limit to how far from the map edge they're allowed to spawn or will they just keep spawning closer and closer to my front gate the closer I set my defenses?

[Jim Groovester]

They spawn at the edge of the map, but they're hidden. They slowly make their way to your fortress until they spring an ambush on an unfortunate dwarf and reveal themselves. If they're getting revealed inside your fortifications, then there might be a problem with them.

[Shadowex3]

(yeah I'm a graphics heretic)
Theoretically they could be coming in at the brook and going all the way down past the drawbridge and then working their way back up again but i've almost always got dwarfs there so you'd think I'd be getting ambushed up there instead of down where the trees are.

If they really do spawn at the edge hidden instead of cheating then I'm thinking my safest bet is to reclaim my original defensive line, trap the hell out of that, and just keep some caged animals there so the traps can deal with them.

[Jim Groovester]

Your wall looks secure enough from what I can tell from your map, and you say that the goblins are getting revealed by the trees where you have an opening in your wall. That's about where they should be getting revealed.

I'd say things are in good working order.

And really, they do spawn at the edge of the map, just like sieges, just like caravans, and just like animals. The only cheating party in Dwarf Fortress is the player, which is why the game is so easy once you figure everything out.

[Shadowex3]

Can they spawn on the brook if I COMPLETELY wall off the outside of the map or would great wall of china actually work for keeping me safe?

[Jim Groovester]

Can they spawn on the brook if I COMPLETELY wall off the outside of the map or would great wall of china actually work for keeping me safe?

Ermmm. It depends. I've noticed that the goblins tend to spawn at the center of each 48x48 tile. So if it's roughly in the center, then maybe. But there's no downside to walling it off. The water will still flow.

And a great wall would keep you completely safe, but you'd never be able to trade with caravans. I find that important, since a fortress gets way too much junk and the caravan is a convenient way to dispose of it.

And life without threat of goblins gets boring. And the threat of goblins is inversely proportional to your preparation.

[Shadowex3]

I know, I just didn't expect to be so... lucky... and get everything sorted out so quickly. If I can just hold them off for a bit my magma reservoir will fill up and I can start my legendary metalsmith making adamantium plate mail and beating sticks for everyone and then we'll all be fine.

[Gertack]

Foreigners always spawn at the map edge unless your area is non-square, at which point I believe it was determined they used the shortest dimension to determine where they could spawn on the longer dimension.

[Shadowex3]

Artifact raw adamantine mechanism, artifact battle axe. I think it's time to use up my remaining supply of cheap materials to make as many crossbows as I can dwarvenly fit into that thing and call it a day.