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[Milskidasith]

Honestly, I think if gobbos simply never dug through damp or warm tiles we could solve this entire issue of "destroys the fort with flooding" versus "makes forts less invincible."

[Skynet 2.0]

There is already a discussion similar to this in the No more invincible forts thread, about if invincible forts should be possible or not, and about how to make them harder to defend.

[LegoLord]

Honestly, I think if gobbos simply never dug through damp or warm tiles we could solve this entire issue of "destroys the fort with flooding" versus "makes forts less invincible."

That doesn't solve the issue of digging into chasms and underground rivers.  Actually, maybe they should only dig one z-level below the surface.

Also, sapping wouldn't make your fort invincible if you had a magma moat as deep as the lowest z-level.

[Milskidasith]

That's mostly about teleportation, while this is about digging. Normally, I'd be all for consolidating the two, but honestly, that would probably lead to one discussion dying in the process.

[LegoLord]

That's mostly about teleportation, while this is about digging. Normally, I'd be all for consolidating the two, but honestly, that would probably lead to one discussion dying in the process.

Teleportation?

[Milskidasith]

Not replying to your post: I was referring to the two currently active topics about fortress defense. Confusing, I know. Shoulda quoted, I know.

[Granite26]

Honestly, I think if gobbos simply never dug through damp or warm tiles we could solve this entire issue of "destroys the fort with flooding" versus "makes forts less invincible."

That doesn't solve the issue of digging into chasms and underground rivers.  Actually, maybe they should only dig one z-level below the surface.

Also, sapping wouldn't make your fort invincible if you had a magma moat as deep as the lowest z-level.

Wouldn't be too horrible to write the dig pathfinding to not breach any features...

[Tormy]

Honestly, I think if gobbos simply never dug through damp or warm tiles we could solve this entire issue of "destroys the fort with flooding" versus "makes forts less invincible."

That doesn't solve the issue of digging into chasms and underground rivers.  Actually, maybe they should only dig one z-level below the surface.

Also, sapping wouldn't make your fort invincible if you had a magma moat as deep as the lowest z-level.

Wouldn't be too horrible to write the dig pathfinding to not breach any features...

What's the problem with that? What if the invaders would dig into underground rivers for example? That would be fun to watch, honestly. 
..but yeah probably Toady could code the tunneler/digger AI like that, so they would never dig into chasms, lava, rivers etc.

[Granite26]

Honestly, I think if gobbos simply never dug through damp or warm tiles we could solve this entire issue of "destroys the fort with flooding" versus "makes forts less invincible."

That doesn't solve the issue of digging into chasms and underground rivers.  Actually, maybe they should only dig one z-level below the surface.

Also, sapping wouldn't make your fort invincible if you had a magma moat as deep as the lowest z-level.

Wouldn't be too horrible to write the dig pathfinding to not breach any features...

What's the problem with that? What if the invaders would dig into underground rivers for example? That would be fun to watch, honestly. 
..but yeah probably Toady could code the tunneler/digger AI like that, so they would never dig into chasms, lava, rivers etc.

I agree, I think it'd be silly, but the objection was that they might breach things...  I'm not a neurotic sim-fort designer.  (although a proper risk/reward structure could let even them build their forts someplace safe and not worry too much about it)

[LegoLord]

Now I'm thinking they should tunnel one z-level under the surface, and collapse the tunnel behind them (essentially restoring it to its previous state).