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Sareth

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Making rocks out of blocks.
« on: November 16, 2008, 12:43:31 am »

You should be able to make blocks into plain old stone. Its annoying having no mechanisms when your fort is in an abandoned human castle with an aquafier. How am I supposed to pump without gear assemblies?

Also, blocks made out of metal ore should be meltable.
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Re: Making rocks out of blocks.
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2008, 12:58:47 am »

i agree. whats to stop a bunch of dwarves smashing a block into pebbles?
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Re: Making rocks out of blocks.
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2008, 01:53:11 am »

Or maybe you should be able to make anything out of blocks (that you can make out of rocks).


Also, this should probably be moved to suggestions.
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Re: Making rocks out of blocks.
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2008, 01:44:29 am »

Or maybe you should be able to make anything out of blocks (that you can make out of rocks).


Also, this should probably be moved to suggestions.

But then you could grind up masonry skill with blockmaking AND still get your useful items, effectively doubling the masonry skillups you can get per stone.
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Re: Making rocks out of blocks.
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2008, 10:40:59 am »

It's not like stone is a rare commodity.
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2008, 02:22:37 pm »

Nevertheless, being able to turn a stone into a block, then a block into a stone, then a stone into a block and so on and so forth is maybe not optimal.

Even though it's called a block, I like to think of a single block object as actually being a bunch of blocks, kinda like bricks. That makes building a well or a wall out of a single block object a little less silly. And with this mental model, turning them back into a stone large enough to make a door or statue of wouldn't be possible.
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Re: Making rocks out of blocks.
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2008, 02:54:23 pm »

It's not like stone is a rare commodity.

It is on maps with an aquifer
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Re: Making rocks out of blocks.
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2008, 03:20:01 pm »

How am I supposed to pump without gear assemblies?
Pumps transmit power too.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2008, 03:38:20 pm »

re experience:

It's not like stone is (usually) in particularly short supply.  Yes, on aquifers, but I don't think being able to make blocks into furniture would result in a larger experience gain than just making blocks out of stone and then making furniture out of stone.  And if you could switch them back and forth from block to rock, you could just as "cheaply" get experience that way, even on maps with aquifers.

Besides, isn't the whole point of aquifers that they're extremely difficult?  It's supposed to be a challenge.

And honestly, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that you would somehow glue the blocks back together into a rock.  How would you turn a bunch of bricks into a boulder?  And even if it's just one large block, you'd have to somehow collect all the rock shards you chipped off it and attach them back on, which seems both silly and game-y.  It would make more sense (to me, natch) to just make blocks able to do anything rocks can.  The block-rock thing just seems like a one-way conversion to me.  I don't know.  Something like this would break my suspension of disbelief.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2008, 04:21:26 pm »

If you are on a map with an aquifer and magma then you are all set.  Pump the magma around, pump some water on it and you have obsidian.  Then you can make some mechanism.  Dig a large hole in the aquifer by channelling it out, then pump magma in.  It will fill the entire hole with obsidian and also sear away the aquifer there.  Just keep going down until you have burned through the aquifer.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2008, 06:48:38 pm »

I have seen indications that you can fairly easily mod in the ability to melt metal blocks, burn lignite blocks, and convert a block (or require it to be two blocks) to a stone.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2008, 09:23:06 pm »

Yeah. You have to do it at the smelter, but you can do it. It's a bit of a pain, though, because if you want to have the material that comes out of the reaction be the same as the one that came in, you have to create a separate reaction for every single material. So: "fairly easily", not so much.

But otherwise, yeah.
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2008, 04:06:26 am »

I imagine a block being made from raw material with quite a bit of wastage of excess material, so it makes sense that a block can not then be turned back into the stone it came from as it'd be a lot smaller and presumably not contain enough material to then construct things from.
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