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[Random832]

Something we need to test.
Since you can make Trap Components out of metal (Steel included to my knowledge)
Mechanisms are the very last on that list.
Are steel mechanisms as magma safe as bauxite ones?

Is this some kind of joke? Mechanisms are NOT on the list of trap components.

[Osmosis Jones]

Mechanisms need stone, so no steel. However, you do realise it is the work of mere seconds to go to the raws and change the melting point of a few stones that you have access to.

The values as stand aren't all accurate, so it's hardly cheating if you fix the points on a few stones that you can get hold of.

[Morberis]

Mechanisms need stone, so no steel. However, you do realise it is the work of mere seconds to go to the raws and change the melting point of a few stones that you have access to.

The values as stand aren't all accurate, so it's hardly cheating if you fix the points on a few stones that you can get hold of.

Graphite for example.

[LegoLord]

Mechanisms need stone, so no steel. However, you do realise it is the work of mere seconds to go to the raws and change the melting point of a few stones that you have access to.

The values as stand aren't all accurate, so it's hardly cheating if you fix the points on a few stones that you can get hold of.

Graphite for example.

I feel better with alunite.  It's supposed to be used to make alum, which is in turn use for deodorant and fire retardants.  It's not exactly all that magma proof, but hey, you can stretch it far enough.

[peekama]

I'd prefer not to alter the RAWs when working on a megaproject.  When you can easily get all of the rare materials you need, it just isn't that mega anymore.

I mean, a 15 z-level 10x10 tower made of steel isn't that cool anymore if you just used dwarf companion or something of the like to turn all your stone to steel blocks.

[Keolah]

Bauxite is only found in sedimentary layers. Marble is metamorphic, and metamorphic layers aren't particularly rich in valuable metals, either.

Personally, I modified my raws to make marble _not_ count as a flux stone, just to make the site finder a bit more useful. (If said site finder let you cycle through potential matches, I wouldn't have had to, either.)

... I love my current map. Magma pipe + sand + a freshwater lake = underwater glass palace! There's even bauxite too!

[ShadeJS]

If you can, embark with some bauxite, dig some stone a little way aways, build workshops near that stone for mechanisms & floogates / grates. Turn that bauxite into what you suspect you'll need while your dwarves start digging out the fortress. I've done this on all of my recent forts-- If you plan ahead, you only need one floodgate / grate, and the required mechanisms for all of those 'magma powered thingies'.

[Refar]

Turn that bauxite into what you suspect you'll need Mechanisms while your dwarves start digging out the fortress.

Fixed
Everything else can be replaced by Steel, which is allways available in one way or another.
30 Bauxite = 90 Embark Points = 30 Mechanisms = 30 Magma safe Floodgates. Should be more than enought for most projects.

However with a Civ that has no Bauxite at all, you cant get it on Embark either.

[Random832]

Why do so many people insist on using steel when iron or nickel will work just as well?

[Refar]

Well i myself wasn't aware plain Iron or Nickel would be Magma safe. And steel is easy enought to come by, so i never really bothered to check.
I see now from the Wiki you are right. Even better.
The bottom line is the same tho - you can get everything but the machenisms magma safe on any map.

[LegoLord]

Why do so many people insist on using steel when iron or nickel will work just as well?

Dang, and Nick always seemed like such a scrawny guy.  Guess he's tougher than he looks.

[Random832]

To be honest I think I know what it is - the 2D version only allowed steel for bridges and aqueducts over the magma flow, and it just sort of stuck in people's minds as common knowledge that steel was needed for working with magma. Though it seems iron was magma-safe even then, for aqueducts carrying magma over other features and for objects caught in a magma flow to not be destroyed.

So in other words, save your carbon for steel weapons; use iron for magma-moving equipment.