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Author Topic: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable  (Read 1695 times)

unclejam

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Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« on: July 20, 2008, 10:59:09 am »
They don't use it, even when it is the only path out...

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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2008, 11:48:44 am »
I believe ramps need to be adjacent to a wall, as well as having a walkable floor on the z level above.  So your left ramps need to look more like your right ramps.
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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2008, 12:57:15 pm »
move your ramp out one tile west, then build a wall where your ramp was, and everything will work.
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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 03:44:05 pm »
Hell, you might even be able to build a wall underneath the left side of the bridge and it'll work.
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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2008, 07:05:36 pm »
Ramps are really frickin' weird.
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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2008, 11:51:27 pm »
Quote from: MMad on July 20, 2008, 07:05:36 pm
Ramps are really frickin' weird.

No, not really.  They make sense.  From the wiki:

The lower ramp is valid; the upper ramp is not
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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 12:14:20 am »
Quote from: Draco18s on July 20, 2008, 11:51:27 pm
Quote from: MMad on July 20, 2008, 07:05:36 pm
Ramps are really frickin' weird.

No, not really.  They make sense.  From the wiki:

The lower ramp is valid; the upper ramp is not
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Um? What?

Shouldn't it connect on the diagonal?  I really don't understand these nasty beasties, so any clarification will be met with gratitude,
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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 10:46:38 am »
Quote from: Draco18s on July 20, 2008, 11:51:27 pm
Quote from: MMad on July 20, 2008, 07:05:36 pm
Ramps are really frickin' weird.

No, not really.  They make sense.  From the wiki:

The lower ramp is valid; the upper ramp is not

The problem I have with ramps is that they're really weird to visualize, and doesn't seem to make physical sense. The way I've understood them - and I acknowledge this may be incorrect, please educate me if so - a ramp doesn't have a direction, but allows access up to *any* empty tile above a wall that may appear next to it.

So if you have a flat area with a lone ramp sitting in the middle, you can walk across it. I'd visualize that as a pyramid-shaped small hill or something. But if you go and build walls and floors around that ramp, suddenly you can walk from any of these walls down to the ramp and back again. Now I'd visualize this ramp tile as a hole in the ground, sloping upwards to all sides.

So assuming I haven't gotten them entirely wrong this entire time.. ramps are terrain objects that morph and change shape depending on their surroundings. I think that's pretty weird. :) Just smack a ramp down any old where and it will remold itself after your needs..
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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 11:13:36 am »
The only way I can figure out what a ramp configuration does is by loading it up in 3dwarf.
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Re: Ramp to Wall to Bridge to Ramp not pathable
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2008, 11:47:23 am »
Quote from: Qmarx on July 21, 2008, 12:14:20 am
Quote from: Draco18s on July 20, 2008, 11:51:27 pm
Quote from: MMad on July 20, 2008, 07:05:36 pm
Ramps are really frickin' weird.

No, not really.  They make sense.  From the wiki:

The lower ramp is valid; the upper ramp is not
?????????
Um? What?

Shouldn't it connect on the diagonal?  I really don't understand these nasty beasties, so any clarification will be met with gratitude,

Probably, but it's trying to show the relationship on why it needs a wall on one side.  You can't walk up a slope made of paper.
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