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[Arkan15]

code:

. = unmined rock
~ = water
X = floodgate
  = empty space
E = connection to other parts of fort
_ = pathable ground (floor/bridges)
# = grates in floor to let water out
^ = weapon traps that use serrated discs
top level
.....~~.....
.....~~.....
.....XX.....
..        ..
..        ..
~X        X~   a lever somewhere else opens these
~X        X~
..        ..
..        ..
.....XX.....
.....~~.....
.....~~.....
-1
 ....EE....  this leads outside
 .________.
 ._  ..  _.
 ._.    ._.
 ._.    ._.  this is the main level of the fort
 ._.    ._.
 ._  ..  _.
 .________.
 ....EE....  this leads into the actual fort
-2
   ......
   .    .
   .    .
   .    .
   ......

-3
  .......
  E#^^^#.
  E#^^^#.
  E#^^^#.
  .......
    

I call it the Goblin Disposal.

[ July 26, 2007: Message edited by: Arkan15 ]

[ July 26, 2007: Message edited by: Arkan15 ]

[a1s]

It will flood your fortress.   :cool:
you actually have a wall on level -1 that prevent water from going down.
besides I don't think you can get water that high (although there might be some pump mechanism that I'm not aware of...).
EDIT: the wall has holes, right? clever. but not clever enough- I still think it will flood your fortress- you have 8 ingoing pipes and 6 outgoing ones, intuition tells me this shouldn't work too well.
as for goblins- half of them will escape unharmed, since they fall on the grates.

[Arkan15]

quote:Originally posted by a1s:
<STRONG>It will flood your fortress.    :cool:
you actually have a wall on level -1 that prevent water from going down.
besides I don't think you can get water that high (although there might be some pump mechanism that I'm not aware of...).
EDIT: the wall has holes, right? clever. but not clever enough- I still think it will flood your fortress- you have 8 ingoing pipes and 6 outgoing ones, intuition tells me this shouldn't work too well.
as for goblins- half of them will escape unharmed, since they fall on the grates.</STRONG>

Well, it doesn't line up exactly right, but the intention is that things entering on level -1 are washed down and land right on the weapon traps and get diced into little bits.

[a1s]

well some goblins can still escape (if they are lucky) the traps.
also shouldn't they just as likely be washed into the Es? I suppose we don't much care about the northern ones, but the southern ones will move them straight into your fortress past this *incredibly* labor intensive trap (and it's not just all the digging, you'll need over 50 mechanisms (it'll probably go over a hundred considering how you'll need an extra 8 for every square you move away by).

[Arkan15]

quote:Originally posted by a1s:
<STRONG>well some goblins can still escape (if they are lucky) the traps.
also shouldn't they just as likely be washed into the Es? I suppose we don't much care about the northern ones, but the southern ones will move them straight into your fortress past this *incredibly* labor intensive trap (and it's not just all the digging, you'll need over 50 mechanisms (it'll probably go over a hundred considering how you'll need an extra 8 for every square you move away by).</STRONG>

Well, that's what doors are for.

And at least it isn't yet another "Hey, my 3-D defense has a pit with elephants under it and a drawbridge that flings enemies into the pit!" post, which is what 99% of these are.

[schm0]

Can you just dig a hole in the ground? Or is it just stairways?

[Dreamer]

quote:Originally posted by schm0:
<STRONG>Can you just dig a hole in the ground? Or is it just stairways?</STRONG>

I've been wondering the same thing...

Will it work like this? (I think this is it, from the videos.)

code:

(This view is from the side.)
Floor 1: >__@___
Floor 2: X_@____
Floor 3: <____@_
_ = Floor/Ceiling
< = Stairs up
> = Stairs down
X = Stairs up and down
@ = Dwarves standing on floor

Or this? (This is how I hope it'll work.)

code:

(This view is from the side.)
Floor 1: >__@_._
Floor 2: X####o#
Floor 3: X_@__._
Floor 4: X####.#
Floor 5: <____@_
_ = Floor
# = Wall
. = Empty Space
o = Falling rock
< = Stairs up
> = Stairs down
X = Stairs up and down
@ = Dwarves standing on floor

Any clue, guys?  Most of the designs I've seen seem to rely on the second representation, where you would have to skip a floor in order to make two distinct levels.

If the videos show true (And they're old, things could have changed) that means the first representation is what's going on, meaning the only way to navigate levels is by stairs/ramps, instead of having empty space (Like you do outside).

Or, maybe there's a way to cut through the floor and make a pit of some sort.  Who knows.

Then again, maybe I missed something.  I tend to do that.

[Arkan15]

I think it's the second.

[Fieari]

As I understand it, it's actually a combination of the two.  Option "1.5", if you will.  Let me explain.

code:

Floor 1: >__@__._
Floor 2: X_@___._
Floor 3: <____@_

That is to say, the only floors you can "look at", are floors where dwarves can walk around on.  It's a slice of the mountain that has a floor/ceiling of arbitrary size between floors.  You can connect the floors via stairs, but you can ALSO connect the floors with empty space, by digging a "channel".  A channel simply removes the floor/ceiling.

So, what we really have, is your second option, except you can never "see" the levels of the mountain that are basically just floor/ceiling.  Instead, you only see the levels dwarves actually stand on, and you can access the "half-levels" via digging channels.

[Dreamer]

Oops, did I not put the empty space on the top one?  Thanks for catching that.

Thanks for clarifying, though.  It really had me wondering - I guess it makes more sense, now that I think about it.  I must've missed how channels were going to work in the next version...

Anyways, yes.  The 3-D construction.

I'm more of a traditional, "Put fortifications looking out into the world with archers" type guy.  I'm going to love making traditional fortresses, raining fire down upon the heads of invading enemies from my walls and towers...  Fancy traps are fun, but there's little an archer can't solve.

[Coconut]

Can you just dig a hole in the ground? Or is it just stairways?

[Fieari]

Yes, you can dig a hole.

[Markavian]

Does the dwarf get stuck if they dig a hole in the ground, or do they need to build stairs back up?

[Grek]

quote:Originally posted by Markavian:
<STRONG>Does the dwarf get stuck if they dig a hole in the ground, or do they need to build stairs back up?</STRONG>

The dwarf would dig the hole from the side like so:

code:

#  @#    #  @#
##### -> ## ##
#####    #####