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[hector13]

I thought he was town early, but when he started making his cases I changed my mind ‘cause they didn’t make sense.

[zemaj]

GG everyone, and thanks for hosting NQT!

pro tip:  ITS ALWAYS THE NEWBIE! 


this was an awesome (if confusing) setup, and I like the auto-resolve after intense D1.  That said, I think this is really easy to abuse by scum... vote-weighting is pretty much how we got off that mislynch on FoU.  It easily could have gone the other way.  I'd like to take some personal credit for that, with what I feel was a stellar bit of role-play, but it really probably was mostly the setup.

8/10... would definitely murder play again.

[A_Curious_Cat]

That was interesting…

I suspected zemaj by the end of day. Was certain after the D1 flip.  Never suspected Jim…

[Jim Groovester]

I did not expect FoU to actually be lynched on Day 2. That's painful. If the game didn't have the auto resolution I think the game looks a lot different and the scum team have a much harder time.

I think I may have underestimated or not fully grasped the impact of the weighted voting on how lynches are resolved, but it seems apparent that the shameless vote gaming that the scum team get to do after Day 1 is pretty potent. Perhaps the voting lists should be posted publicly? That would let the town better coordinate on future lynches and also stops the scum team from being able to vote how they really want to.

I think Fluffe9911 should have claimed Cop. I'm not convinced the role results of the cop or doctor are worth more than a confirmed town or thunderdome situation.

[ToonyMan]

I put FoU above zemaj because I found FoU/Jim more likely than zemaj/Jim.

zemaj/Jim is basically the only scum team that can beat me in this game, oh well.

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Let's see, zemaj implied he isn't the Cop. zemaj also implied FoU isn't a cop, which is weird.

I'd like to help me, but if me then Fallacy are going to be next after Max, and that still leaves time for cop to do something to influence that, I'm oddly at ease.  I don't like it, but I'm not going to fight it and distract from anything good that may happen at day end.

It could just be weird phrasing, either way this means zemaj probably isn't Cop. FoU could still be.

a1s is Doctor.

Cop could be Irony, FoU, Fluffe, or Jim. I hope it's Fluffe or Jim, preferably Jim. If it's Irony or FoU that really sucks.

Fluffe had faith in Max as town and would have rather voted zemaj than Max, seems weird if Fluffe is mafia. Especially since Fluffe was getting shit for not posting, why even shield Max? Verdict: Town. I think we can win as long as Fluffe is town. Both Irony and Jim gave Fluffe a lot of shit at the end of the day. Irony is a suspect to a lot of people so shitting on their partner sounds like a really bad idea. Jim/Fluffe makes more sense with Jim just shitting on mafia!Fluffe for more credit, but I think I have to go with Fluffe being town here.

FoU and Irony need to die first, if neither is scum we lose. I need to do FoU first instead of zemaj because of the mafia!Jim world.

Continuing from there, if FoU flips scum we need to kill zemaj (or Jim). But if FoU flips town we need to kill Irony, so Irony needs to be above zemaj.

If FoU flips scum and Irony flips town then we hit zemaj who hopefully flips scum for the win. If zemaj flips town then it's FoU/Jim and we need to hit Jim for the win.

However, if FoU flips town and Irony flips mafia then Irony needs to be partners with zemaj or Jim for us to win. Jim seems more likely, but I need to order it in this way.

This list loses to zemaj/Jim or if Fluffe is mafia, but I think those are the least likely possibilities. I know Jim picked to vote Max instead of zemaj at the end of D1, but I believe mafia!Jim is more likely to be with FoU then zemaj so it needs to be this way.

Otherwise, if two mafia are inside FoU/Irony/zemaj/Jim then my list wins the game if everyone follows it.

FoU
Irony
zemaj
Jim
Fluffe
a1s

[notquitethere]

Thanks everyone for playing!

Perhaps the voting lists should be posted publicly? That would let the town better coordinate on future lynches and also stops the scum team from being able to vote how they really want to.

On first blush this seems like it would work better, but also consider this would allow the mafia team to make perfect night kill choices, so it might end up more potent for them. Could be worth a try some time. Though another thing is, if the lists were public, people would have to make them before the D1 flip, which would also make things harder for town.

[ToonyMan]

Wait I don't think that my list logic even worked since mafia only needed a single mislynch (after the initial one) to win the game if I'm reading the thread right. I guess I didn't count correctly being filled with nyquil. I think the chances of me listing zemaj, FoU, Jim, Irony in that order after realizing the correct mislynch math is really slim though. I would be more likely to list it as zemaj, FoU, Irony, Jim if I had to so I don't think it ended up mattering.

[hector13]

Don’t do hypnotics and mafia.

[Fluffe9911]

Well dang GG

[IronyOwl]

That explains why Jim was covering for zemaj's panic attack, but otherwise I had Jim as my second to last choice after a1s (and myself). The only things I ever suspected Jim for was trying to get town votes out in the open (which I admitted probably helped town more than scum, because most information helps town more than scum), and that he was lurking kind of a lot at the end relative to his earlier play.

I don't see a scenario where we won that one.

Thanks everyone for playing!

Perhaps the voting lists should be posted publicly? That would let the town better coordinate on future lynches and also stops the scum team from being able to vote how they really want to.

On first blush this seems like it would work better, but also consider this would allow the mafia team to make perfect night kill choices, so it might end up more potent for them. Could be worth a try some time. Though another thing is, if the lists were public, people would have to make them before the D1 flip, which would also make things harder for town.

Thanks for hosting! Interesting experiment.

I wonder if more moving parts would make the game better or worse. The whole point is to be short, but I'm not sure if it should be simple.

[FallacyofUrist]

Once again it's proved I cannot read players at all.

I will continue playing mafia because even though I'm terrible at it, it's still fun.

[notquitethere]

I wonder if more moving parts would make the game better or worse. The whole point is to be short, but I'm not sure if it should be simple.

It could possibly work with more roles. Here's some ideas:

- One Shot Alternator: Each night can choose whether to change the night of every other alternating powers for the rest of the game, including that night (this could mitigate against revealed roles and make it harder for scum)
- One-Shot Hype-Man: On N1, increases the trustworthiness of one player for the rest of the game
- Even Night Mimic: Copies one living player's role power on target (disincentive for doc to claim)

Role powers are fun and they make the calculus more interesting/difficult, but too many of them can squeeze out scum's claim space, make too many confirmed townies. One way to avoid that is to have either/or roles: e.g. either a cop OR a mafia redirecter-- that makes no one lock town for claiming an uncontested role (like a1s did). But it makes the game a little harder for players to reason about, and harder to balance too.

[Egan_BW]

Could disallow scum from voting after day 1, right? They already have a kill and don't need votes to remain unsuspicious when the game is in auto-mode.

[notquitethere]

I think they still need to have votes, otherwise it skews everything way towards town, but I could adjust it so that they don't add trustworthiness to their allies. If that were the case, Zemaj would have drawn with Fallacy on D2, but then Fallacy would have been eliminated D3- so more competitive for town, but not overwhelmingly so.

[TolyK]

In.

You get bonus points if you use AI models trained on our posts to play the rest of the game for us.

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