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Villains, not enemies?
« on: February 27, 2023, 01:25:13 pm »

Why do superhero stories work this way?

I mean, do any of the popular superheroes main villains merit being called a legit enemy?
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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2023, 02:05:50 pm »

they are synonyms
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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2023, 02:26:52 pm »

Villainy implies a person who takes actions which are evil or illegal. Someone who does things which would commonly be considered wrong by most of the society they are in.
An Enemy is just someone to whom one is opposed. An opponent. There is no automatic implication of evil.

Villains can be enemies and enemies can be villains, but Superhero stories generally prefer the term 'Villain' because that justifies the hero opposing them. If the hero is simply fighting his 'Enemy', then they're just a couple of superpowered assholes causing a lot of property damage for no reason.
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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2023, 02:50:26 pm »

Why shouldn't I root for the Anti-Hero? Why can't I root for myself?

Why do superhero stories work this way?

I mean, do any of the popular superheroes main villains merit being called a legit enemy?
What, Superman shouldn't be beating upon a cripple?

Spider-Man shouldn't be beating on a fat guy and a bunch of cripples?

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2023, 04:27:57 am »

Damn it now I need to see Superman fight an army of super powered cripples.
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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2023, 05:44:47 am »

I mean, the Blob is just a super-fat guy and it's okay for supes to beat on him
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2023, 02:20:12 pm »

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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2023, 10:22:41 pm »

Damn it now I need to see Superman fight an army of super powered cripples.

... And at least one of them might be an actual enemy because the writers would actually try with the antagonist for something like that.
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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2023, 03:26:25 am »

Superman secretly hates cripples so they are all enemies to him.
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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2023, 10:38:44 am »

Villainy implies a person who takes actions which are evil or illegal. Someone who does things which would commonly be considered wrong by most of the society they are in.
An Enemy is just someone to whom one is opposed. An opponent. There is no automatic implication of evil.

Villains can be enemies and enemies can be villains, but Superhero stories generally prefer the term 'Villain' because that justifies the hero opposing them. If the hero is simply fighting his 'Enemy', then they're just a couple of superpowered assholes causing a lot of property damage for no reason.
Or if they're the enemy, there has to be that acknowledgement that the other guy probably has a set of motivations which are not so different from the protagonist, which can be morally conflicting for a producer who wants a more black and white clash of good spandex man vs evil CGI man

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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2023, 01:03:35 pm »

Really, Superman vs. Batman was the best superhero movie ever.

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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2023, 06:53:45 pm »

Enemies are easier to fuck up in a memorable mien.
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Re: Villains, not enemies?
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2023, 03:09:21 am »

What do you mean when you say mien?
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