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[FenrirWoof]

The Steam version has broken skills that are integral to the game.

For example, the Mason skill has been replaced with Stone Carver skill, but the Mason skill has still been left in the game and has still retained its important label as a Stoneworker skill, despite apparently doing nothing now. When you make stone furniture, you now train your Stone Carver skill.

On top of that, setting custom labor roles around workshops doesn't actually work, and I hate this more than anything else; no matter what you do, the closest dwarf will fill up your Stoneworker's Workshop and mess everything up.

What is Mason for anymore? Architecture? Fooling veteran players? And does Stone Carver even function beyond drawing experience away from Masons? How did this game get shipped?

[Alocrin]

Bruh,
There was a decision to give a certain amount of polish and updates the steam release title. Nobody that has any history on this forum should have reasonably expected perfection Day1.

Also, I was able to assign dwarves to my stonecutters, and it work. At the very least the same two dwarves always used the same workshops. Maybe it's a bug for you?

[Bumber]

I've heard mason is for building walls.

[Stormfeather]

I've heard mason is for building walls.

As in the construction -> walls task? No, unless it's bugged - I have masonry as an "only dwarfs assigned to this" type task, and people without it are still happily building my walls

[Shonai_Dweller]

My stoneworking workshops were built and dwarfs got to work right away building stuff. Without having to open the labor menu at all. What exactly is "broken" again?

[NPK]

I've figured this one out with custom work details - Masonry is specifically for producing rock blocks, while stone carver is for furniture and anything else produced at the stone workshop. So you can, for example, have any old peasant mass produce rock blocks for construction while your master stonecarver focuses on objects with quality modifiers.

[Mungrul]

So where do smoothing and engraving fit in these new categories?

[Stormfeather]

Sounds like (going by the previous posts):

Masonry is for making rock blocks
Stonecarving is for making other stone furniture/things in the workshop (is it a stonecarver's workshop now? I think I vaguely remember "oh this isn't the Mason's workshop anymore but didn't really note it)
Smoothing would be for smoothing stone walls/floors (not sure if it would include fortifications, probably?)
Engraving would be for, well, engraving walls and floors (see above about fortifications)
Stonecrafting would be for making rock things in the craftsdwarf's workshop, so crafts, nest boxes, hives, etc etc from stone.

Wonder if this change was made since people were using blocks as a cheap and easy way to level up the masonry skill XD

Edit: I also have seen it suggested that the Mason is replacing the Architect/Building Designer job. Don't know if this was supposition but is incorrect, if the stone block thing is incorrect (since I haven't tested it myself), or if Mason is basically doing both.

[NPK]

Sounds like (going by the previous posts):

Masonry is for making rock blocks
Stonecarving is for making other stone furniture/things in the workshop (is it a stonecarver's workshop now? I think I vaguely remember "oh this isn't the Mason's workshop anymore but didn't really note it)
Smoothing would be for smoothing stone walls/floors (not sure if it would include fortifications, probably?)
Engraving would be for, well, engraving walls and floors (see above about fortifications)
Stonecrafting would be for making rock things in the craftsdwarf's workshop, so crafts, nest boxes, hives, etc etc from stone.

Wonder if this change was made since people were using blocks as a cheap and easy way to level up the masonry skill XD

Edit: I also have seen it suggested that the Mason is replacing the Architect/Building Designer job. Don't know if this was supposition but is incorrect, if the stone block thing is incorrect (since I haven't tested it myself), or if Mason is basically doing both.

I think I made a mistake: StoneCUTTING is blocks, stonecarving is furniture ("furniture"), stonecrafting is crafts, and Mason is, probably, architecture, although I'm not sure.

[Stormfeather]

Okay, that makes sense, I actually jumped back into the game and was paying more attention and was like "wait, I don't see a smoothing skill...there's stone carving and stone cutting..."

[Duuvian]

Hmm, I thought my stonecutter was making blocks. I'll have to check next time I open the game to be sure. Mason seemed to be doing stuff as the skill wasn't rusty. I thought maybe they do what the former architect job was in building things like the trade depot or other things made out of stone blocks. I did notice on constructions of walls and floors that all the dwarves would help though; so that's why I thought it might be the old architect job.

What I think I've seen without doublechecking is
Stonecutter- Smooths and makes stone blocks
Stonecarver- makes stone furniture
Stonecrafter- makes stone crafts
Engraver- engraves tiles and slabs

In the old version it was easy to train masons up by making blocks, since blocks don't have quality mods there was only slower crafting instead of heaps of shoddy furniture laying around.

[Lexyvil]

Carving and Cutting are very synonymous terms, and thus made it confusing initially to know which does what... Therefore I left a suggestion a few days ago on Kitfox's discord channel in the bug-report section to have them be renamed Stone mason and Stone smoothing instead.

As for regular "Mason", I just assume it became what "Architect" used to be.

Though there is still currently the issue where a Dwarf that makes a stone artifact would end up becoming a "Legendary Mason" instead of "Legendary stone carver" (or better yet a Legendary stone mason).

Since Mason is now Architect (?), then it should also not be part of the Stoneworking category anymore if that decision really is finalized, knowing there are constructions that do require the architect labour that can also be made out of wood. There is a lot of issues that needs fixing in v0.50, definitely.

[Jod]

All of this sure is confusing enough, but what REALLY bugs me is that a moody dwarf that has a high stone carver skill that claimed a stone carver workshop 90% of the time produces a shoddy stone craft necklace worth less than a stack of bolts now. This was not the case in previous versions. Where are my artifact doors and furniture, Tarn?

[EmperorCoolidge]

The wiki says (but note, these claims are all marked "verify") that masons construct depots, bridges, furnaces, and wells. Additionally under building designer it says that its tasks have been redistributed to mason, carpenter, and blacksmith.

At a guess masons probably are used for all the stone structures that formerly used architects.

Stone carver seems identical to DF2014 masonry with the exception of doing the actual construction on designed buildings. Design and construction seem to both be under the new mason while stone carver has all the workshop duties.