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[anewaname]

Just looking at the astronaut on a horse image, it is an excellent...  it is *explitive* beautiful.

The horse portrays one set of ideas and the astronaut alone portrays another set of ideas and the backdrop of the stars portrays another set of ideas, but the only overlap of these groups of ideas is the subset of "exploration" and "venturing into the unknown".

There are no cultural markings in the image that would limit this to Western cultures, and it could represent any culture has talked about space travel as an option.

That image needs to be nose-art on an interstellar probe someday.

[None]

Oh, for the love of-

'Computationally expensive' means that it requires a lot of computer processing power- raw CPU, disk/memory/read-writes, memory access, whatever. I'm not talking about monetary cost here, I'm saying that computers have to do a LOT of work to generate these images. This is why it takes fifteen minutes for OpenAI's server clusters to generate images. 'The cloud' is not some infinite source of computational power, OpenAI would need to scale up their server capacity by MAGNITUDES for the kind of use case where everyone has dynamically generated avatars.

Brah, if you're going to panic about the future of computing and AI, learn the basics of computing first.

Here's the only pricing information OpenAI has publicly available, which is strictly for stringing words together, since money is tangentially related. Nothing for DALLE yet.

There are no cultural markings in the image that would limit this to Western cultures, and it could represent any culture has talked about space travel as an option.

That image needs to be nose-art on an interstellar probe someday.

Yeah nah they're still working out how to remove bias and cultural stereotypes from generated images.

Or, I dunno, cultures without horses?

[MrRoboto75]

I'm pretty sure interpreting the meaning of, say, a painting is an entire college major.  Like people got doctorates to try and guess at what's so great about renaissance art.

[Scoops Novel]

So, we've basically established it's happening sooner or later, eh None?

I think it's proved it's worthy of discussion.

[None]

Do you want to have a discussion about DALL-E's existence, or make wild speculation about its ability to replace common communication? I haven't said it's not worthy of discussion, it's just not worthy for all the reasons you've presented so far.

Quit moving the goalposts.

[NJW2000]

Take any post in this thread. Try to imagine a way of turning it into pictograms while still capturing the complexity and subtleties of meaning involved. Would it be as unambiguous easily understood as a written post? I doubt it. Humans communications can be very abstract these days.


On the other hand, programmers managing this is an interesting development, albeit one that was pretty obviously going to happen at some point. I suspect the immediate results will be particularly exciting for people with unusual fetishes.

[anewaname]

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There are no cultural markings in the image that would limit this to Western cultures, and it could represent any culture has talked about space travel as an option.

That image needs to be nose-art on an interstellar probe someday.

Yeah nah they're still working out how to remove bias and cultural stereotypes from generated images.

Or, I dunno, cultures without horses?

You know what elephants are, right? As you grew older, you learn more and you better understand that elephants are smart, social, and have been used in labor, entertainment, and war by humans mostly in Africa and India. When someone from another culture reads about horses for a while, they'll know that they have been used same as the elephant, but also for exploration/travel. What I mean is, don't judge the other cultures by their less-educated people, and recognize that people who are looking at the stars as a place to travel are likely to know quite a bit about the rest of the world's cultures and possibly bits about your own culture than you do (not being judgemental of you specifically, I go through stages of recognition about my own ignorances regarding this or that region/country/technology/industry/history/etc and find myself diving through media in search of a more-informed viewpoint).

The bias thing will work its way out of the system if that is the intent of the developers and it will work its way back in as special interest groups work their malice. What to do? AI will become another weapon used in different ways, as weapons are just another type of tool.

These "art" images are like kiddy crayon drawings, but the AI will expand its own understandings and gain more ability to develop tools that are not intended as "art" but were designed creatively as opposed to the brute-force AI designs like in the Airbus A320.

When that creative AI develops the first interstellar probe, what would it want to use for nose-art on it? Would the AI say, "In one of my prior incarnations, I was asked to make this silly image and I still love it... it is all about getting out there in the stars and exploring."

[None]

It's.... not going to want anything as its nose art, because it's not going to want. What it's going to do is digitally generate images based on a massive body of other images used as reference to aggregate certain features that resemble the things described to it. That is entirely and exclusively what it will do, because machine learning is very narrow in scope.

The bias is not innate to DALLE, but based entirely on the body of images it's been trained on. It just so happens that if you're using google to procure ten thousand images of 'personal assistant,' the images you get back are probably going to be women, and so DALLE generates 'personal assistant' as a woman.

I'm... Also not saying anything about less-educated people? I'm saying horses may not be symbolically important to all people, much like elephants have no symbolic importance to me.

[Scoops Novel]

Do you want to have a discussion about DALL-E's existence, or make wild speculation about its ability to replace common communication? I haven't said it's not worthy of discussion, it's just not worthy for all the reasons you've presented so far.

Quit moving the goalposts.

Both, obviously. I wasn't interpreting this as a debate, just horsetrading my man.

Take any post in this thread. Try to imagine a way of turning it into pictograms while still capturing the complexity and subtleties of meaning involved. Would it be as unambiguous easily understood as a written post? I doubt it. Humans communications can be very abstract these days.

It's not about the old posts. It's about the new posts. Once someone starts using images everyone else naturally responds in kind. Art demands art.

[wierd]

As much as the media likes to try and romanticize the discipline, machine learning is not going to produce skynet, Durandal, Leela, or Shodan any time soon.  (and certainly not by accident).


More realistically, the kind of machine learning that this represents, will further demonstrate the fallacy of considering original works original.  (All works created by human hands, are likewise reflections of previous works or experiences that the human in question has encountered, and then processed into 'new' media-- that is to say-- all works are derivative works.)  Since the legal system has already clearly taken the position that AI cannot hold copyrights, (and thus the derivative works produced by AI cannot have copyright ascribed to the AI--- the matter of ascribing the creator of the AI, or the operator of the AI, that copyright is still up in the air) there is an opening for this kind of revelation to continue to eat away at the notion of intellectual property as a whole, which I am excited for.

However, this machine learning exercise really is just boiling down the process of image creation based on keywords, down to a fixed subset of mathematical expressions and iterative processes.  It is the exact opposite of the romatic notions the press ascribes to AI--- It is the active removal of the 'magic' from the creative process, through demonstrating that the 'creative process' is purely mechanistic.

Eventually, it MIGHT end up that what we consider "consciousness" (and I use that word very broadly, as it means different things to different people) is indeed a wholly mechanistic process itself, thus eliminating all conceptions of "human uniqueness" (and thus the "magic" of free will, independent thought, and creativity as a whole), or "human exceptionalism".

That day is a long way away however.

Society would have a number of very difficult questions to ask itself if human behavior is a wholly mechanistic process.  Much like you dont ascribe blame to a food disposal when it eats a person's fingers when they reach inside with it turned on, a "Humans are mechanisms, and we can prove it" world would have a greatly difficult time with such simple things as ascribing guild, blame, or fault via a legal system-- as any outcome could be ascribed to a set of pre-existing conditions prior to the event being put on trail.  "Choice" would not be a thing that makes sense, and thus, neither would "blame".

It is my personal conjecture, that should the reality of "Humans are mechanisms, and we can prove it" come to pass, what will happen is just that humans will continue to insist that they are magical and special, with "souls" and thus "free will" is not an illusion, etc.

[Loud Whispers]

It is my personal conjecture, that should the reality of "Humans are mechanisms, and we can prove it" come to pass, what will happen is just that humans will continue to insist that they are magical and special, with "souls" and thus "free will" is not an illusion, etc.

Yet but not limited to - humans would also start insisting in and praising the blessed machine spirit joining human spirit in that great journey we call life