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Five chickens

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Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« on: January 26, 2022, 01:58:01 pm »

I'm looking to expand my religious infrastructure, but am having trouble figuring out which deities are most popular with my morons.  (I already have a large shrine for generic worship.)  How do you handle this?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2022, 04:01:45 pm »

Back to the old spreadsheet, for me. (Or straight text notes.)

Check everyone, note their proclivities in this respect, build up suitably weighted tallies/membership-lists for each mentioned deity. (I cater for all of them, but prioritise the ones most individually efficacious, as I do when I then further augment them with 'extra' worshipping features.)

Does Therapist now grab this info? I must check, next time I'm playing. But I have rather fallen back to 'manual' notes on various newer features, like I used to do for everything before DT made it unnecessary to manually maintain my own job-proclivity, assignment and personal-preferences/etc spreadsheet for each game in progress.

But then I already spend much of my playing-time effectively paused (diggging in and out of various menus, and designating and redesignating all kinds of future digging/construction patterns with coordinated prioritisations attached) so it really doesn't impact my playing style to add this further micromanagerial monomania.
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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2022, 05:28:54 pm »

My method is to have the large lavish every-deity temple have a hallway at the other end of it, and series of rooms leading off that hallway. These rooms are each devoted to a seperate religious group, rather than a deity, unless there's a deity I take a particular liking to and devote a chapel to. Companies of worship are then already pre-catered for, when they ask to be recognised. This avoids the biggest problem multitheistic dwarves have: They go to pray, and are in the wrong temple, and the praying doesn't work for them in some mental way. Make the every-deity temple the most decorated and expensive one, and they'll all pray there unless they want to devote to a particular worship for a specific reason. It's a longer walk, so they don't usually bother, although occasionally a wonderful dance erupts in a far away temple, which is pretty cool. Musical instruments are wonderful things to add to all the temples.

Added bonus: When there was a werebeast attack, I was able to lock all the doors on all the chapels in the temple district, most of which have private wells (because why not?). A lot of worshipping dorfs survived the attack, and I was able to unlock and let them out one by one, as I worked out who was infected and who wasn't.
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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2022, 06:07:21 pm »

um, it's really quite easy. just make a new meeting zone with 'i' and designate it a temple. During this process you will be asked to assign the temple to a specific deity, and in this menu you can see a total worshipper count for each deity, as well as cult membership. You also get a summary of the deities spheres of influence.

However - this might be a DFhack feature I have simply become used to?

If you aren't using DFhack and are worried about efficiencies like this, I would suggest checking it out.
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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2022, 06:56:54 pm »

How do you assign musical instruments to the temples?  Thanks again for your responses.
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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2022, 07:04:27 pm »

However - this might be a DFhack feature I have simply become used to?

It's in vanilla DF, so no DFhack needed.

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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2022, 08:09:13 pm »

(Doesn't give the extra detail of how devout the membership is: ardent/faithful/(unqualified)/casual/dubious... Or how polytheistic some guys are. Always useful to know.)

I basically build buildable instruments in temples (tends to be the only place I do, for various reasons more to do with me than the game) but building containers (chests, etc)  may attract the handheld ones too. I forget if there's any way to encourage particular storages (except as highly customised stockpiles, which I don't think works for usage purposes) as I haven't really tried that.

edit: And you need space for a dance-floor, ideally. My default room-size is 5x5 (four to a block) but I can make one of 11x11 instead. This might be better as if I build anything (instruments or chests, and of course non-musical things like statues, starting at corners and tending to be along the edges except where there are door(ways)) it would cut into the usable dance-floor space.

My approach to controlling (or enabling) the cultural development of my dwarves is... Odd. ;)
« Last Edit: January 26, 2022, 08:15:18 pm by Starver »
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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2022, 01:44:09 pm »

How many performers do you usually assign to your temples, and what kinds?  Does it necessarily matter how skilled they are?

For example, do you consider it more important to appoint true believers as performers in a particular temple, or skilled musicians/dancers/whatever?
« Last Edit: January 27, 2022, 10:15:09 pm by Five chickens »
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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2022, 08:20:05 pm »

performance is good but also kind of ignore-able. If the temple is a major, frequented one I might assign a performer, since that means a higher chance of dancing and singing, at least that's the idea.

Really, since the most recent re-balance of dwarf stress, you still only need one or two masterwork quality common rooms to appease most fortress dwarfs. Any singing or dancing on top of that is generally just a bonus.

Skill of performers leads to better performances, leading to an increase in mood. I think.
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Re: Figuring out which gods are most popular with my dorfs
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2022, 09:00:02 pm »

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For example, do you consider it more important to appoint true believers as performers in a particular temple, or skilled musicians/dancers/whatever?
I would look through a few of the dwarfs worshiping in that temple and until I found one with good attributes and traits for performing (probably agility, spatial sense, empathy, linguistics, social awareness, creativity, memory, etc) ... Because, they will gain skill as they perform but if they are an irascible klutz, skill will not matter.
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