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Author Topic: Why do Dwarfs Find Torture of Any Kind "Unthinkable"?  (Read 1096 times)

rico6822

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Why do Dwarfs Find Torture of Any Kind "Unthinkable"?
« on: January 11, 2021, 12:52:13 pm »

Even the ones with the most evil personalities?
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Re: Why do Dwarfs Find Torture of Any Kind "Unthinkable"?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2021, 11:34:14 pm »

Because that's how the game works right now.
Ethics are linked to an entity. It's simplistic and Toady's mentioned that it needs to be improved and made more granular in the future. Finding torture unthinkable is just a mechanic to ensure friction with human and goblin civs to cause wars.

However, the most "evil" dwarves tend to be ones from other civs (goblin, necro, etc), so don't share Dwarf civ ethics. Dwarves from Dwarf civs don't tend to be able to get that evil. Unless you mod them, in which case, mod the ethics tags too.
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Re: Why do Dwarfs Find Torture of Any Kind "Unthinkable"?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2021, 02:06:45 am »

Presumably, because Dwarves are better than us.

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Re: Why do Dwarfs Find Torture of Any Kind "Unthinkable"?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2021, 05:57:12 am »

The 'vanilla' dwarf psyche seems to be one motivated highly by justice, wieghing in that if dwarves (by extent you the phantasmal overseer) mismanage judiciary punishments it'll weigh much more heavily on their minds than other cultures. Humans might passably be annoyed with a corpse or a animal recieving the undue blame for a murder or blood-drinking fatality, but dwarves are often outraged with the absurdity with a great big wallop of a bad thought.

Doing torture doesn't seem like a character pattern trait for them either as they're also partially sympathetic souls, most dwarves dont even like putting animals in cages.
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Re: Why do Dwarfs Find Torture of Any Kind "Unthinkable"?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2021, 01:26:06 pm »

What is an evil personality ?

To answer your question, that's for the same reason even bad, violent people consider unthinkable to eat cats in the west, while perfectly good people in other culture may find it acceptable. It's cultural. Dwarves don't torture people.
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Re: Why do Dwarfs Find Torture of Any Kind "Unthinkable"?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2021, 03:45:25 pm »

What is an evil personality ?

To answer your question, that's for the same reason even bad, violent people consider unthinkable to eat cats in the west, while perfectly good people in other culture may find it acceptable. It's cultural. Dwarves don't torture people.

Yet least to be seen about whether Toady will implement dwarves to implement labor camps with the scenario arc. A very usual by dwarven hard justice standards for repenitent hard labor, baffling surrounding humans and goblins.
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Re: Why do Dwarfs Find Torture of Any Kind "Unthinkable"?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2021, 08:44:13 pm »

Also torture is to compare with "corporal punishments", which are an acceptable response to petty crimes. It's not torture if it's justice.