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[x2yzh9]

O.K. I didn't come here to argue, or debate anything, or to be told that my views are anti-Semitic by nature(my brother is Jewish), or to be told that I don't know anything about masonry when my entire family tree is full of them on the male side. I came here to make a post, that's it, really. I understand people here love to debate things but I don't have the time nor literal energy to do that. Make of it what you will.

[Il Palazzo]

Note, that nobody's saying you don't know what freemasons believe about themselves. What is being said, is that those beliefs are silly.

[x2yzh9]

    Well, like I said, not here to debate much but I will agree that the belief itself is a little silly, sure, but here in the US that is what a lot of them believe. Or at least a certain one I met who lives near the former still living president George Bush, who is ironically, also a free mason(I'm like 99.9% positive on that one. Gonna leave the 00.1 percentage because I could always be wrong). Also, I could go on and on for days about what it's like growing up in a Mason centric family, but I'd rather not just go on a rant about Masonry and all their secrets, I'd rather get to the core of the issue. Which to be fair this is the conspiracy thread, but does on that note, can anyone link me to a particular story I have been often thinking of? It is in regards to the Masons and Knight's Templar, and it went something like this; The catholic church was coming to execute all the masons in Europe. Some escaped, some didn't, but long story short within the span of a 'single night'(likely a week or two, but back then getting a message across the entirety of Europe for a certain group of people was nearly impossible, right? or no?) they gathered everyone up and set sail from a port somewhere in France, heading West. Aside from these people, and say, the Vikings who mysteriously disappeared, is there any other indigenous or non-indigenous groups who are rumored to, or have officially, had to make mass migrations in the past? Also what is the actual likely story behind the Vikings disappearing?

[scriver]

Uhm... The vikings disappeared because heightened European ability to defend against sea-raids, the fact that they had already conquered the British Isles, and mostly the fact that they likely only appeared to begin with because of a farming-technology-caused population surplus in the first place.

[Reelya]

> The catholic church was coming to execute all the masons in Europe

Where is this stuff coming from?

So the ... masons headed west from Europe in the middle ages, that's the conspiracy theory. Presumably this is a Mormon-type thing where they landed in the USA. But here's a sanity check on that claim. The claim is that boatloads of masons escaped to the Americas. Why, then, didn't they build any masonry when they got there? If you tell me to look at the Aztecs or Incas you should bitch-slap whoever told you that. The whole point about native American architecture is how wacky it is, since it developed in isolation from Eurasian architecture. They had some novel building techniques that the Old World doesn't have, but they also lacked basic things like wheeled vehicles to transport materials, or basic architecture like arches.

> Aside from these people, and say, the Vikings who mysteriously disappeared, is there any other indigenous or non-indigenous groups who are rumored to, or have officially, had to make mass migrations in the past? Also what is the actual likely story behind the Vikings disappearing?

This is at the level where all I can say is you should read the whole wikipedia entry on the vikings before we can even discuss that.

Expert sailors and navigators aboard their characteristic longships, Vikings voyaged as far as the Mediterranean littoral, North Africa, and the Middle East. After decades of exploration around the coasts and rivers of Europe, Vikings established Norse communities and governments scattered across north-western Europe, Belarus,[9] Ukraine[10] and European Russia, the North Atlantic islands all the way to the north-eastern coast of North America. The Vikings and their descendants established themselves as rulers and nobility in many areas of Europe. The Normans, descendants of Vikings who conquered and gave their name to what is now Normandy, also formed the aristocracy of England after the Norman conquest of England. While spreading Norse culture to foreign lands, they simultaneously brought home strong foreign cultural influences to Scandinavia, profoundly influencing the historical development of both. During the Viking Age the Norse homelands were gradually consolidated from smaller kingdoms into three larger kingdoms; Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

Nobody disappeared, the vikings are the ancestors of the Danes, Swedes, Norwegians. Iceland is one of the remaining Viking outposts, and it's kind of obvious they're related to modern people in Scandinavia. What happened was that at the start there weren't big centralized kingdoms in Scandinavia so local lords would send raiding parties out, but as they conquered territory and Scandinavia consolidated into a few larger kingdoms, this behavior died out.

[Egan_BW]

I'll admit that x2yzh9's posts are really hard for me to read because they don't use line breaks at all. It's helpful if you press enter each time you switch subjects, especially if you do so several times over the course of a post.

[scriver]

I realised later after my post that what was probably being referred to was the North American colony of Eric the Red; if it was then they didn't go missing or vanish mysteriously or anything -- the very same source that tells us Eric established a colony in Wineland also tells us that they engaged in hostilities with the people living there, that Eric died, and that his daughter led the remains of the colony back to Greenland and Iceland.

[Reelya]

Forgot about this thread, should post any more conspiracy stuff in here, keep it contained. I was wondering about PizzaGate since I never really looked at that in detail, so here's a breakdown of that. f you get a paywall merely open it in a private window.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html

I'm not going to explain what PizzaGate is in detail, but assume people have a general familiarity with what it's about, I'm just going to summarize a few key observations.

So as I understand it, the original conjecture was that in the Podesta emails the phrase "cheese pizza" is merely code for "child pornography". So "cheese pizza" nudge nudge, wink wink. Believe it or not, this is the entire basis of the theory.

so it's just code and doesn't actually mean pizza at all. Then they noticed that lot of the time, they mentioned a specific pizza joint - Comet Ping Pong. So then the theory becomes that the "CP" is in the pizza joint. At this point any rational person is asking a simple question - if pizza is a code for not-at-all-pizza then why the fuck is the action happening in an actual pizza joint?

So "pizza" is in fact merely a code word ... for pedo orgies while eating a pizza? This is a job for the Ministry of Redundancy Ministry.

Someone then came up with a hypothesized code-word reading:
hotdog = boy
pizza = girl
cheese = little girl
pasta = little boy
ice cream = male prostitute
walnut = person of color
map = semem
sauce = orgy

This is then taken as FACT, despite completely contradicting the original "code" of Cheese Pizza meaning CP / Child Pornography. We've moved past that now, so "cheese pizza" the original phrase we said was questionable because of initials CP now means "little girl girl". Which makes "tons" of sense. But we're past the point of making sense so all the logic from here on in is 100% circular without needing to reference anything outside our own imagination.

Then there's the "walnut sauce" phrase. Which they've highlighted because it has potentially creepy connotations (semen). That's because of this email exchange:

From: Jim Steyer
To: John Podesta and Mary Podesta

Hey John,

We know you're a true master of cuisine and we have appreciated that for years …

But walnut sauce for the pasta? Mary, plz tell us the straight story, was the sauce actually very tasty?
Source: Wikileaks
04-11-2015
From: John Podesta
To: Jim Steyer and Mary Podesta

It's an amazing Ligurian dish made with crushed walnuts made into a paste. So stop being so California.

A little bit of fact-checking shows that the Podesta surname is from the Liguria region of Italy, and that pasta with walnut sauce is a traditional dish of that region. So, reading this as plain text, the Podestas had a dinner where they served traditional Italian cooking, someone else heard about what they had and was weirded out by some Italian cooking he never heard about, assumed it was some Nouveau Riche hipster thing.

Or, you can go with the conspiracy version by substituting in the terms from the "code" and trying to make sense of that.

So Jim was emailing because he heard they had an interracial orgy which included a little boy, and John replied that it's a traditional Italian thing ... where they crush the interracial person apparently, and apparently Californian Cabal members aren't into the interracial orgy bit. So yeah, try and make sense of that.

Merely by taking "walnut sauce" out of context you give it connotations that it never had. Going off how the conspiracy people talk, you'd think that the phrase "walnut sauce" is in there entirely without context, or it's repeated in different emails, but it's literally that one time someone asked John Podesta about Italian food. So the fact that it just happens to be a traditional dish in the Podesta's home region of Italy is a mere coincidence? If however, they used it as code because they're Italian, then why would it then be also used by people who clearly aren't of Italian origin, and if Jim was primed on the code to start with, wouldn't he already be down with it rather than being a skeptic?

Some people are still absolutely convinced that the Podestas are child molesters, to the point that debunking any of these actual facts no longer have any bearing on their certainty. I think that's best understood by looking at how the original "code" of "cheese pizza" / "CP" which was the closest they ever had to any proof was so quickly discarded by more elaborate theories that took the accusations as fact and merely tried to make everything fit together. Pure circular logic to the entire thing.

[Reelya]

QAnonAnon episode 100, news was about Wayfair QAnon conspiracy theory.

https://www.bbc.com/news/waorld-53416247

A well-known activist tweeted about the high price of storage cabinets being sold by online retailer, Wayfair.

The user pointed out that the cabinets were "all listed with girls' names," prompting followers to allege that the pieces of furniture actually had children hidden in them as part of a supposed child trafficking ring.
...
By that point, QAnon followers were making supposed links between the fact that some expensive pieces of Wayfair furniture are named after girls, and actual cases of missing children in the US with the same names.

Some of these children are no longer missing and one woman, who was mentioned when a cabinet with her first name was linked to her alleged disappearance as a teenager, did a Facebook live refuting the claims. 
...
But it wasn't long before QAnon activists put forward a new theory.

Some said that after they put stock-keeping unit (SKU) numbers of specific Wayfair products into Yandex - a major Russian search engine - images of young women would appear in the search results.

That claim was true, but was down to a glitch in the search engine.

Newsweek reported that a Yandex search for "any random string of numbers" would return the same results.

Also, in this episode a deep dive on KW Miller, probably the most entertaining of QAnons who ran for Congress. Great videos. Guy thinks he's Batman basically - hangs with rich people, claims to be a "CEO" but says "they" call him by his "secret" identity, Mr Nobody, where he's saving the country behind the scenes for the last 30 years. It's notable that he self-claims to be called by his secret identity by everyone else, who are apparently the world's rich and famous he claims all know him. He's from Florida btw.

[scriver]

Just wait until they hear about IKEA

[Reelya]

Ugh, this is going to end badly. I'm listening to stuff about QAnons now who've had children put in foster homes for various reasons and they're arming up, training with weapons and planning / being caught trying to conduct armed raids on the foster homes on the assumption that the State deliberately selects satanic pedophiles as foster homes.

There was another guy involved in a high speed chase with the cops and he had his wife and kids in the car, he thought the cops were he deep state coming for him. After a while apparently the wife and older daughter started telling the guy they were deep state and he believed them and was like "you? you? you were deep state all along!". I guess they hoped he'd stop the car and try and run away. Both wife and daughter ended up launching themselves out of the car, and he ended up crashing the car with some of the kids still in it.

it's really just a matter of time before some QAnon guy or guys massacre a bunch of innocent people.

[Reelya]

Ugh again, some naive guy set up QAnon "save the children" rallies in 100 cities. He apparently broke some unwritten rule: you're not supposed to do anything about the stolen children, apparently. The guy was sincere at least and wanted to raise awareness for the stolen children issue.

However, most established QAnon influencers were not impressed, attacked the venture, and then they started doing crumb-reading / baking of the guy's own stuff and labeled him as a deep state pedo puppet. The guy was interviewed he said part of his journey into QAnon was that "nothing made sense" about the Coronavirus pandemic then he got into the Q stuff. However, they asked him about the recent turn of events and he said about that that he's "confused" and "nothing makes sense" about how the other QAnon regulars are treating him. So he's just terminally confused, and should in fact realize that his model of reality is broken. He joined a thing about saving children, did something concrete to raise awareness, then the people who supposedly want to save the children made sure he was put out of operation. He should realize something is amiss.

Now he's all like "I'm not a pedo but i can't prove it because everyone's reading WAY too much into my old stuff. So I don't know how to respond" - but he's apparently oblivious to the irony that this is exactly the dilemma faced by the people he's been pilled about.

It's pretty obvious that the QAnon influencers who are making any money off this are completely aware it's all a sham, so if anyone like this guy takes concrete real-world actions towards exposing the deep state pedos, then you have to target them with misinformation that they're an agent of the deep state themselves. Sincere "true believers" are a big risk to the scammers, so they cannot be allowed to grow too influential or start poking around in the real world, lest the grift be affected.