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AudiRgr8

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How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« on: October 31, 2018, 07:49:54 pm »

So I've made a bunch of honeymoon suites and did a massive compatability map of my dwarves and managed to find 12 possible partnerships. Thing is, I've only had 4 of them become marriages whilst the other 8 are still stuck in the 'lover' phase. Basically all activity in the fort has grinded to a halt in order for there to be maximum idling time in their rooms, but still after a year no more luck.

Is there a marriage cap in the fortress or do I just need to be more patient??

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Approx 6 marriages and 53 dwarves.

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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2018, 10:35:33 pm »

Some dwarves will not marry; only love. Some will not even do that. Also it is sex-specific so they may be willing to marry one sex but not other. No vanilla way to see this, though plenty of hacking ways *points to sig*

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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2018, 02:44:43 am »

I'm not sure you're using an effective method, or I may misinterpret your description.

I lock the future couple up together in a suite that has food, drinks, and the only beds assigned to the dorfs. I bring them there by setting up a burrow covering the room, and then assign the two dorfs to that burrow (which requires fiddling, because the morons won't drop hauled items, but instead spam cancellations until you release them. They'll also ignore burrows to do need stuff, and stand rooted in place until they get hungry/thirsty/tired before going to the burrow to cure the condition).
Once both dorfs are in the burrow I lock the door and paint a meeting zone over the room and associate it to the tavern. This causes the dorfs to socialize with each other, which should get them married within half a year from scratch. However, as Fleeting Frames pointed out, many dorfs are not prepared to marry, and some of those who are are only prepared to marry their own gender, which means some dorfs are hopeless cases from a procreation perspective.

I've never heard of a marriage cap and see no reason for one. The natural factors in the form of age distribution and willingness to marry (as well as personality traits working against marriage) will limit the possible number of marriages, but I'd expect a higher number of possible marriages than you've got.
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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2018, 03:18:46 am »

The system has seemed to work fine and giving it a bit more time I got two more marriages by the end of the year. I think it's just that some dwarves are happy being in a loving relationship but not progressing to marriage?
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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2018, 05:18:06 am »

Hm, curious.

*Takes a closer look*

1. It seems that your statues block access to cabinets.

2. It seems that you're letting them walk out of their cohabitated bedrooms, instead of locking them in. If they socialize elsewhere as well I'll have to raise an eyebrow at any marriages.

3. Just curious, what are the two who took time to get married like? Responsibilities, personalities...

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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2018, 08:54:53 am »

1. It seems that your statues block access to cabinets.

Just using the method that is on the DF Wiki, under the 'arranged marriages' subheading: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Marriage

Having the cabinets increases the value of the room and thereby the positive emotion of sleeping in a bed.

"Slept in a great bedroom" ---> "Slept in a bedroom like a personal palace"

Supposedly dwarves talk to one another while they are on adjacent tiles and have the 'no job' status. Funnily enough, the 'socialize' status is associated with performance and singing, not with dwarven interaction.

This method produced almost four marriages in two seasons, I was merely wondering about a marriage 'cap' as they stopped suddenly despite me keeping the conditions the same and allowing them to idle as much as possible.

2. It seems that you're letting them walk out of their cohabitated bedrooms, instead of locking them in. If they socialize elsewhere as well I'll have to raise an eyebrow at any marriages.

Nope, deleted my inn so that citizens hang out in their rooms with 'no job'. Dwarves are allowed to walk in and out to eat and perform tasks as it would be too fiddly to set up private food and drink stockpiles for every marriage suite.

3. Just curious, what are the two who took time to get married like? Responsibilities, personalities...

I've had about 5 separate couples end up actually getting married but I'll just focus on two individuals.

This is Etur, my broker, who pretty much since day one has been under a lot of stress lately and has never really coped with it well. She was one of the starting seven and soon formed lover status with one of the minors. At the birth of their first child, she managed to break free of her stress and has been a vital part of the fortress, despite missing a few limbs:

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This is Zefon, my original expedition leader who has been in 'lover status' for about a year now with no signs of progressing on. Nothing I read in his personality suggests he has a personal aversion to marriage however.

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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2018, 05:32:39 pm »

Ah, got it from wiki I see. Generally, the method I see and have used is locking them in into a 3x3 with food and drink (2 beds, table, chair, statue, 4 food stockpile tiles); this way they also eat together, don't go to pick up other clothes, etc.

And you misunderstood. I want the two dwarves in particular who took longest to marry; because I'm curious about the boundary between acceptable and unacceptable by personality.

Though for Zefon in particular, it occurs to me that beyond the usual "only willing to progress to lover for 1 of the pair", there is now also a possibility of their personality changing so that the lovers personalities are no longer compatible (it looks the values imparted by trauma can be rather strong).

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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2018, 07:15:13 am »

If you are willing to mess around with DFhack, I believe the fix-ster command will change dwarf values to willing to marry and have children. To make all your dwarves fertile, the command input would be:

fix-ster fert all DWARF

There used to be a command to force marriages between dwarves, but that was a long time ago and not sure it even exists in the latest versions.
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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2018, 04:55:49 pm »

gui/family-affairs?

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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2018, 07:18:26 pm »

I believe that even if you force the marriage through gui/family-affair, you will still have to fix-ster fert the couple.

You don't have to fix-ster ALL, you can just do that with the people you want to marry, but if you marry them while one of them doesn't want to (assexual or homosexual) they will remain childless.

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Re: How to make Lovers into Husband and Wife?
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2018, 04:19:19 am »

Yeah, that is so. (I recall a case where one had to get into historical unit data in addition to personality in Questions forum, come to think of it...)