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[Saiko Kila]

This has me bugged for a while... Why, amongst the many artistic profession, there are no painters? Painters were, along with sculptors, a big deal in medieval ages. Both building painters (like fresco makers) or personal painters (like portrait makers), who could be the the same person anyway. Paintings could be expensive items back then, as they sometimes are now.

We have sculptors - the masons creating statues can be seen as such, or crafters for smaller things (I assume a figurine can be a bust, for example). We have walls to decorate, we have paper, linen and parchment, but we have no painters. The closes I can see to a graphical artists are guys sewing images... But that's more a utility crafter than an artist. I suppose legendary crafters are also artistic crafters, but still not similar to just painters.

Why no love for graphical arts, I wonder? It's the lack of light or what? Medieval and ancient painters could decorate underground chambers (housing temples and the like) just fine. If the real humans could do it, why not imagined dwarves?

[KittyTac]

Go make a suggestion. It's probably planned.

[DG]

Why no love for graphical arts, I wonder? It's the lack of light or what?

Lack of time. Toady probably wants to put it in as realistically as possible, and thus won't just add something called "paint" that artists can use to make paintings. He'd want to think about what materials can be used to make the pigment, how it is made into the paint, and all of the different painting styles. And likely a ton of other things I can't imagine. Look at what he did with a brief go at musical instruments.

If you want this in sooner rather than much later, I suspect the best way would be to do very in-depth research and then put all you've learned into a suggestion thread. This is the best way to help Toady. Trawl wikipeadia and then make lists with entries like:

"ochre -> sourced from natural clay containing ferric oxide -> produces colours ranging from yellow, orange and brown."

Except better.

A suggestion post that basically boils down to "Add painting" probably won't do much because it's safe to assume he already wants to. Helping with the research they'll inevitably do beforehand is the way to go.

Edit: Did a search on paint in the suggestion forums and these are just from the first two page results.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165288.msg7542840#msg7542840
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151534.msg6320201#msg6320201
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159947.msg7134188#msg7134188
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=30427.msg409683#msg409683
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=130902.msg4586025#msg4586025
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165288.msg7542840#msg7542840
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91390.msg2545739#msg2545739
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=56329.msg1217911#msg1217911

[GoblinCookie]

Paint is very complicated.

[Meph]

I could mod it in.

[Saiko Kila]

I could mod it in.

Heh, no doubt! But I'm more really puzzled why there are no painters, and was looking if someone knows the reason - as if Toady mentioned it in the past.

[KittyTac]

I could mod it in.

Heh, no doubt! But I'm more really puzzled why there are no painters, and was looking if someone knows the reason - as if Toady mentioned it in the past.

Lack of time.

[Shonai_Dweller]

I could mod it in.

Heh, no doubt! But I'm more really puzzled why there are no painters, and was looking if someone knows the reason - as if Toady mentioned it in the past.

There is no reason. Toady has, to my knowledge, never stated he is anti-painting. I'm not sure where you got the idea he was. It's right there in the development notes. At no point has there ever been a hint of this suddenly being not part of developnent.

Bloat165, WALL HANGINGS AND RUGS, (Future): Rugs, tapestries, paintings, etc. This leads to things like paint and pigments. The player's skin could hang in the goblin fortress in the same way. It could even be improved like dwarf items. Requires Core43.

Which means at some point during the next 30 years of development it will be tackled. Probably when castles and mansions come up again.

[Putnam]

Yeah, the stuff in dev_single can usually be treated as "eventually" or "planned".