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Murphy

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There's no pleasing some dwarves!
« on: July 03, 2018, 10:24:51 pm »

I have four dwarves left in the fort. Immigrants are off (pop cap = 1).

They're all frustrated for lack of decent meals and lonely despite being friends and routinely socializing. I even see them circling in a dance in the tavern once in a while (which I've never seen before). Still, they are reasonably happy, except for the miner who has been slipping in and out of stress. She managed for several years but seems to be finally losing it after being repeatedly injured in a cave-in (channeling out floors is such a pain).

Why? Because she feels restless from being able tor rest and recuperate. Guess she ain't the type to stay in bed. Now I assign her into a one-woman military so she can satisfy her urge to learn and practice martial art and to fight. Send her to kill a terrified echidna that has been hiding in a corner of my temple for some reason since the fort was founded.

Guess what? She feels terrified while in conflict.

However, her personality has just changed to extreme anger propensity and hate propensity, and she feels nothing while in conflict.

I should lock her up somewhere but I'm kinda fascinated with what's gonna happen next.

EDIT: They all died, but not how I expected them to. Who knew that giant chicken from the depths could actually fly up to the hole in the ceiling...
« Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 11:25:51 pm by Murphy »
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Mort Stroodle

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Re: There's no pleasing some dwarves!
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2018, 11:47:35 am »

Yeah the idea is that some dwarves are just born miserable shits and will inevitably be problems. You can banish them to the hills or drop them into the alligator pit though, so there's fairly reasonable counter play. I think as long as unpleasable problem dwarves only crop up occasionally, it's working as intended.
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Dragonborn

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Re: There's no pleasing some dwarves!
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2018, 08:37:43 am »

I think the "lack of decent meals" is currently broken.  I have a fort filled with prepared meals and very little non-cooked edible food, and they still complain.

It's probably because the meal didn't contain their "preferred" ingredient, but that's nearly impossible to accommodate that for everyone.
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PatrikLundell

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Re: There's no pleasing some dwarves!
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2018, 09:04:40 am »

I think the "lack of decent meals" is currently broken.  I have a fort filled with prepared meals and very little non-cooked edible food, and they still complain.

It's probably because the meal didn't contain their "preferred" ingredient, but that's nearly impossible to accommodate that for everyone.
It's actually worse than that for you. Cooking quality currently have no value beyond trade value, and dorfs are lousy to incompetent when it comes to locating meals containing favorite ingredients when such meals actually are available. They're good a seeking out booze and raw produce, though (booze is considered food in the context of this need).
But yes. The apparently completely random favorite food assignment combined with an absent trade network makes it impossible to satisfy even the majority.
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Sver

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Re: There's no pleasing some dwarves!
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2018, 10:41:07 am »

Does that mean it's actually better to have no prepared meals for now? Do dwarves locate their prefered foods in raw form? Or is there no difference in that regard?

As far as I understand, the only benefits of prepared food otherwise are the wealth/trade value and slower rot. The first one is kinda exploit-ish and unneeded and the second one only (maybe?) matters if you have your militias carry food.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2018, 10:43:49 am by Sver »
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Clément

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Re: There's no pleasing some dwarves!
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2018, 03:08:44 pm »

Eating one's preferred food raw fills the need. Something I learned when testing food preference is that meat preference are for a specific body part despite the description only giving the creature name (in my test I saw "sea lamprey" in the description, but I needed to give "sea lamprey eye", other body part didn't work). There may be other food preferences whose descriptions are too vague.
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Re: There's no pleasing some dwarves!
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2018, 04:59:34 pm »

Dorfs seek out raw favorite food, yes. I've seen reports of them actually going out of their way to find a prepared meal containing favorite ingredients, but haven't seen it myself. It might be that the favorite item has to be the base?

Clément's comment is worrying. I know the favorite food entries inside DF frequently (always? don't remember...) refer to a specific body part, but thought DF's description was correct, so that was just a way to point at the critter. It's might hard to get random critters, but getting specific parts of random critters is nigh impossible.
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