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[Warlord255]

I've been fiddling with animal peoples and making sub-entities to populate the world with things like happy rabbit villages and wolf-man raiders. However, in adjusting the blood-sucking bug men (ticks, lice, mosquitos and leeches) I've come across a peculiar problem. Leech men simply cannot suck blood.

Spoiler: Default blood sucking attacks and more extreme variants added to make sucker-people a valid threat.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE_VARIATION:MOUTH_SUCK_ATTACK]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:SPECIALATTACK_SUCK_BLOOD:25:50]

[CREATURE_VARIATION:PROBOSCIS_SUCK_ATTACK]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:PROBOSCIS]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:SPECIALATTACK_SUCK_BLOOD:25:50]

--monster variants: increased blood sucking, penetration--

[CREATURE_VARIATION:MOUTH_SUCK_ATTACK_MONSTER]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:200]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:SPECIALATTACK_SUCK_BLOOD:500:1500]

[CREATURE_VARIATION:PROBOSCIS_SUCK_ATTACK_MONSTER]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:PROBOSCIS]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:SPECIALATTACK_SUCK_BLOOD:500:1500]

Spoiler: Leech and Leech Man raws. Added genders so they can reproduce in worldgen, as well as MOUTH_SUCK_ATTACK_MONSTER.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:LEECH]
   [DESCRIPTION:A tiny, aquatic, worm-like creature that feeds on blood.]
   [NAME:leech:leeches:leech]
   [CASTE_NAME:leech:leeches:leech]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'~'][COLOR:0:0:1]
   [PETVALUE:10]
   [VERMIN_SOIL]
   [FREQUENCY:100][VERMIN_HATEABLE]
   [SMALL_REMAINS][VERMIN_NOTRAP][NOBONES]
   [NATURAL][PET_EXOTIC]
   [NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
   [BIOME:ANY_POOL]
   [BIOME:ANY_LAKE]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
   [SWIMS_INNATE]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
   [PREFSTRING:feeding habits]
   [BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD_NECK:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:GENERIC_TEETH]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:BONE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:BONE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [MUNDANE]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:BLOOD_DRINKER]
   [SENSE_CREATURE_CLASS:CLASS:MAMMAL:15:4:0:1]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:100]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:5:10]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [CANNOT_JUMP]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [NO_DIZZINESS]
   [EXTRAVISION]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
   [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
      [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
         [TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]

[CREATURE:LEECH_MAN]
   [COPY_TAGS_FROM:LEECH]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:ANIMAL_PERSON_LEGLESS]
   [GO_TO_END]
   [SELECT_CASTE:MALE]
      [CASTE_NAME:leech man:leech men:leech man]
   [SELECT_CASTE:FEMALE]
      [CASTE_NAME:leech woman:leech women:leech woman]
      [CASTE_TILE:9][CASTE_ALTTILE:8]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:PUNCH_ATTACK]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:MOUTH_SUCK_ATTACK_MONSTER]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALK_CRAWL_GAITS:900:750:600:439:1900:2900] 20 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
   [GO_TO_START]
   [NAME:leech man:leech men:leech man]
   [DESCRIPTION:A large slug-like creature with the torso of a man.  Its face is a mockery of teeth and slime. It can suck great quantities of blood from an enemy.]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:5:10]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:5]
   [MAXAGE:60:80]
   [GENERAL_MATERIAL_FORCE_MULTIPLIER:1:5]
   [CREATURE_TILE:8][ALTTILE:9]
   [COLOR:0:0:1]

Spoiler: Tick men, who have no problem whatsoever sucking blood.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:TICK]
   [DESCRIPTION:A tiny, blood-sucking bug found in wooded areas.]
   [NAME:tick:ticks:tick]
   [CASTE_NAME:tick:ticks:tick]
   [CREATURE_TILE:250][COLOR:0:0:1]
   [NATURAL]
   [BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
   [VERMIN_SOIL][FREQUENCY:100]
   [UBIQUITOUS]
   [VERMIN_NOTRAP]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
   [SMALL_REMAINS]
   [PREFSTRING:ability to expand]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [CANNOT_JUMP]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_WALKING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:9000:8900:8825:8775:9500:9900] 1 kph
   [STANCE_CLIMBER][NATURAL_SKILL:CLIMBING:15]
   [MUNDANE]
   [NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
   [NOBONES]
   [BODY:SPIDER:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_TISSUES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:BLOOD_DRINKER][SENSE_CREATURE_CLASS:CLASS:MAMMAL:15:4:0:1]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:1]
   [MAXAGE:2:2]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:RED:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

[CREATURE:TICK_MAN]
   [COPY_TAGS_FROM:TICK]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:ANIMAL_PERSON]
   [GO_TO_END]
   [SELECT_CASTE:MALE]
      [CASTE_NAME:tick man:tick men:tick man]
   [SELECT_CASTE:FEMALE]
      [CASTE_NAME:tick woman:tick women:tick woman]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:PUNCH_ATTACK]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:KICK_ATTACK]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:MOUTH_SUCK_ATTACK_MONSTER]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:711:521:293:1900:2900] 30 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
   [GO_TO_START]
   [NAME:tick man:tick men:tick man]
   [DESCRIPTION:A person with the head and legs of a tick.]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:5:10]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:3]
   [MAXAGE:60:80]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'t']
   [GENERAL_MATERIAL_FORCE_MULTIPLIER:1:5]
   [COLOR:0:0:1]

I can't for the life of me figure it out. In arena testing, the issue seems to be that leech men can't break the skin, but I can't figure out why.

[IndigoFenix]

The problem is that while tick men and mosquito men have hard, chitinous mouths or proboscis...es, leech men are trying to bite using their soft, squishy mouths.  Make their bite variant use TEETH instead.

[Warlord255]

Basing the attack on the teeth worked great! Thanks!

However, I'm now having difficulties adding a blood syndrome for the blood-suckers to take advantage of. It seems to be registering some symptoms fine, such as nausea for drinking ichor from other bug-persons, but when i try to boost Agility the character pane in Arena doesn't register anything. Very curious.

[FantasticDorf]

Leech men not being able to suck blood through their mouths and instead needing their teeth because of penetration should really probably be bug-reported anyway as a inconsistency for toady to fix.

Does the leech man adventurer possess capped statistics in any such way that may deny them from levelling up? Post your blood syndrome raws please so we can take a look at it.

[Nahere]

I'm pretty sure that screen just shows the base level of your attributes, and doesn't take syndromes into account. Note that vampires in arena mode will have average stats across the board, despite the strength and agility boosts associated with the curse.

[Warlord255]

I'll have to chalk it up to the stat screen being buggy, I think. Everything else I ask the syndrome to do, it does.

Here are the blood syndromes; they seem to work well. As far as I can tell right now multiple syndromes on one material doesn't work, so this will override things like the stress-on-contact blood I've seen floating around.

Ichor nausea:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

      [SYNDROME]
      [SYN_NAME:drinking ichor]
      [SYN_INGESTED]
      [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:BLOOD_DRINKER]
      [CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:DISGUST:SEV:75:SIZE_DILUTES:START:10:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
      [CE_NAUSEA:SEV:200:PROB:100:START:0:PEAK:1000:END:2000:ABRUPT_START]

Blood stat boosts/vampire vision:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

      [SYNDROME]
      [SYN_NAME:drinking blood]
      [SYN_INGESTED]
      [SYN_CONCENTRATION_ADDED:100:1000]
      [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:BLOOD_DRINKER]
      [CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE:AGILITY:200:0:START:0:END:1000:ABRUPT_START:ABRUPT_END:DWF_STRETCH:4]
      [CE_PHYS_ATT_CHANGE:RECUPERATION:300:0:START:0:END:1000:ABRUPT_START:ABRUPT_END:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:EUPHORIA:SEV:75:PROB:100:SIZE_DILUTES:START:10:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_SENSE_CREATURE_CLASS:START:0:END:1000:CLASS:GENERAL_POISON:15:4:0:1:ABRUPT_START:ABRUPT_END]