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Peradon

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Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« on: April 09, 2015, 06:50:51 pm »

So, I was looking for some quests from a town lord, and he mentioned that a Crime Syndicate has set itself up in some pits to the north. So I head up there and, to my surprise, the goblin "Crime Syndicate" was actually a sprawling town, complete with weavers. Also, to my surprise, was the fact that the goblins were peaceful. So, I ask them about their troubles, and they cite a Crime Syndicate. "These criminals have even gone so far as to set up a town!" Interestingly, they claimed that the original town I got my quest from was a Crime Syndicate.

So, it looks like neither goblins, nor humans, recognize the other as an official government. I just thought this was interesting enough to tell you guys about...
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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2015, 07:56:03 pm »

That's the same lines they'll give with any settlement that has had a primary criminal organization any time in history, even if that organization has/had as few as 1 member. Almost every town will have one, some hamlets may, and I've seen a forest retreat with one so it's no surprise goblin settlements would have one. Well, maybe a little surprise, since murder is legal to them. What exactly counts as crime to them?
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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2015, 09:21:40 pm »

That's the same lines they'll give with any settlement that has had a primary criminal organization any time in history, even if that organization has/had as few as 1 member. Almost every town will have one, some hamlets may, and I've seen a forest retreat with one so it's no surprise goblin settlements would have one. Well, maybe a little surprise, since murder is legal to them. What exactly counts as crime to them?
I have no idea. Perhaps rebellion?

I think I also caused a loyalty cascade with the goblins also. I managed to get one of them to start a rebellion, and immediately after that all the goblins became hostile and started attacking each other....
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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2015, 09:41:38 pm »

Wikipedia says the greatest crime a gobo can do is treason.

As to making a goblin loyalty cascade.... That sounds fun, I need to try that sometime.
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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2015, 09:53:30 pm »

Meanwhile, the real criminals got away.
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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2015, 10:06:09 pm »

Meanwhile, the real criminals got away.
This is Dwarf Fortress - did you expect it to be fair?

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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2015, 10:46:41 pm »

I've seen a forest retreat with [a crime syndicate]
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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2015, 07:43:49 am »

You have my bow... Can you give it back please?

SaD-82

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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2015, 08:01:03 am »

Almost every town will have one, some hamlets may, and I've seen a forest retreat with one so it's no surprise goblin settlements would have one. Well, maybe a little surprise, since murder is legal to them. What exactly counts as crime to them?

In some cases there are criminal organisations because of the destruction of a site by various reasons.
"Bandits" don't just mean that there are some robbers/thugs.
In Legends you can often see that a site was ruined by Megabeasts/wars/constant raiding by whatever force. And then you will notice that some hundreds of years there are no news related to this site. But at some time a bandit gang opens their doors at said site.
It's the same with reclaiming a site by an actual civilization after years of its elimination.
Sometimes the civ reclaims the site, sometimes the bandits of a camp are faster.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2015, 08:12:26 am »

I did see a whole lot of that in one elvish civ, with their own retreats and places they conquered but never got around to physically occupying. After a few hundred years, some of these places would be controlled by criminal groups with a majority to entirety of the population belonging to it. I entered one ghost town where the entire population were various criminal gangs and they were all in the keep, fighting to the death on the walls. After I finished passing out beheadings, that town was devoid of population.
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Re: Goblin/Human Governmental Relationship
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2015, 08:18:53 am »

Yeah, in my actual play there aren't any goblin civs anymore.
They migrated into human/elfish/dwarfish civs and all of their former sites are full of bandits.
I don't complain as I get really nice FPS inside dark fortresses.
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