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Broseph Stalin

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Re: Still Hopeless From a Major Injury
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2014, 05:52:53 pm »


I agree that motor nerve injuries or damage to vital organs should essentially be incurable by dwarves, but amputations, hook hands and false legs are easily within their grasp and should be added. Dwarves which have lost limbs, or parts of limbs, should be able to continue existence.

Bad reactions to this are completely understandable, hence the need for euthanasia in the form of magma. The new stress system is much better than the old one where dining rooms could offset these problems, though it may need some tweaking. I only send a dwarf to the magma if it will be permanently consigned to insanity and tantrums otherwise - just being useless is not enough. A big fort can easily supply a few dependents.

Well ideally you could schedule the treatments that dwarves receive and in the event of a motor nerve injury have the limb amputated and replaced with a prosthesis or just have them hacked up because why not?  Crutch walker (renamed to something appropriate) could dictate how well they handled their new limb, first day with a new hand or foot and you can expect to drop things and have low movement speed but after a few years you'd be right as rain.   

Urist Tilaturist

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Re: Still Hopeless From a Major Injury
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2014, 06:33:52 am »

That seems a good suggestion for useless limbs. Crutch walker could cover their use. Incurable nerve injuries should only be those to the spinal column and brain.
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Re: Still Hopeless From a Major Injury
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2014, 10:16:29 pm »

I think being constantly in pain, or suffering from lack of breath, or having trouble doing everyday things for lack of usable limbs _could_ quite realistically drive someone mad. Remember that this is a world without effective analgesics or prosthetics (and quite likely a society that's not very supportive of handicapped people). My current "major injury" dwarf got a lung permanently disabled in an accident (forgot dwarven prioritising so of course a floor tile adjacent to a bridge was built before any actual support was in place), suffers regular bouts of being "winded" and gets a constant yellow "shaken" from major injury thought. She went "stressed" after a bit over half a year and is still at that state almost a year after getting wounded. "She can handle stress", so that ought to be a slower-than-average progression. She has grand master skill at discipline by now...

I don't find it at all unrealistic, i just find it slightly frustrating that there's really nothing you can do to help such a dwarf (apart from the bay12-approved lazy sociopath ‼treatments‼).
Ironically enough, I've had the exact same problem with the exact same injury, the left lung being rendered unusable. Unfortunately I doubt it can be cured by prosthesis (suspension of disbelief can't quite cover wooden lungs) but at least with a legendary dining room and really nice bedrooms I can keep him from going insane for another year or two of service.

That seems a good suggestion for useless limbs. Crutch walker could cover their use. Incurable nerve injuries should only be those to the spinal column and brain.
I don't know about crutch walker being used, maybe a separate skill for prosthetic leg or hand use, considering that there is a distinction between brewing with "plants" of "fruit" it seems more dorfy to have separate skills for them... And I feel like dwarves with lower spine injuries should be able to carry themselves around in a wheelchair or something to bypass not being able to use their legs...

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Re: Still Hopeless From a Major Injury
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2014, 11:48:03 pm »

Have you all submitted bug reports or commented on http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8672?

It might help to get this fixed quicker.
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Re: Still Hopeless From a Major Injury
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2014, 01:54:50 am »

Have you all submitted bug reports or commented on http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8672 ?

It might help to get this fixed quicker.
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Re: Still Hopeless From a Major Injury
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2014, 03:48:49 pm »

I just realized that I have no idea where the actual save is, perhaps in part because I'm using a modded version of the game...
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