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Stealing Apache Land
« on: December 11, 2014, 07:36:24 am »

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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 11:04:26 am »

Ah.. Yes.  Riders to bills.  How random shit gets passed on the merits of important shit.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 11:08:22 am »

The fuck? I haven't been paying attention to the spending bill, but are you kidding me?
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 11:10:53 am »

You mean the 1.1 trillion spending bill? Yeah theres tons of riders and porkbarrel stuff on there, shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 09:26:26 pm »

Meh, It's the same as the hunting in national parks rider. it's whole purpose is to keep the bill from being passed, besides I don't think it would matter anyway, depending on the treaty the Apache could tell and copper miners to f*ck off, then again their a westward tribe unlike mine their treaties are much less powerful.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 09:35:30 pm »

I was under the impression that all of it had already been stolen.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2014, 10:12:30 pm »

This is what happens when not enough people vote.  Next time I'm voting twice.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2014, 10:18:47 pm »

This is what happens when not enough people vote.  Next time I'm voting twice.
please dont.  Lets just get your friends to too.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2014, 11:41:25 am »

I was under the impression that all of it had already been stolen.
Essentially, this is 100% accurate.  The lands, as outlined in the article, are in the Tonto National Forest, which are federally-owned lands adjacent to the reservation lands owned by the White Mountain Apaches.  That's the entire reason why this whole situation has come about as a rider to a federal Congressional bill, instead of it being handled through the local Apache government (and maybe the BIA).  It's described as "sacred Apache land," but that in the sense of it being "land that's sacred to the Apache," rather than "sacred land that belongs to the Apache."
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2014, 11:43:28 am »

This is what happens when not enough people vote.  Next time I'm voting twice.
please dont.  Lets just get your friends to too.

that's not actually an easy thing to do. I know some people like to make it out like election fraud is all over the place, but it's ridiculously uncommon, and difficult to pull off.

He would just get caught trying and charged with a felony.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2014, 12:56:53 pm »

This is what happens when not enough people vote.  Next time I'm voting twice.
please dont.  Lets just get your friends to too.

that's not actually an easy thing to do. I know some people like to make it out like election fraud is all over the place, but it's ridiculously uncommon, and difficult to pull off.

He would just get caught trying and charged with a felony.
Then he would be used as part of the overblown statistics as another reason to place even more restrictive laws to ward away poor/colored voterscombat election fraud.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2014, 12:58:57 pm »

Okay.  but what about all the people who don't vote at all?  I was trying to emphasize that part, not imply he would really try to commit fraud.  If enough people were aware of their own power to have a say . . .
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2014, 12:59:59 pm »

Okay.  but what about all the people who don't vote at all?  I was trying to emphasize that.  If enough people were aware of their own power to have a say . . .

Fair enough. I wish everyone would vote. Even if they don't agree with me politically. It's the one power everyone (except felons :/) has to control their fate.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2014, 01:05:22 pm »

Okay.  but what about all the people who don't vote at all?  I was trying to emphasize that.  If enough people were aware of their own power to have a say . . .

Fair enough. I wish everyone would vote. Even if they don't agree with me politically. It's the one power everyone (except felons :/) has to control their fate.

correction. Except convicted felons. Politicians, businessmen, and celebrities vote all the time.

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Also police officers and military brass.
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Re: Stealing Apache Land
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2014, 01:08:21 pm »

Okay.  but what about all the people who don't vote at all?  I was trying to emphasize that.  If enough people were aware of their own power to have a say . . .

Fair enough. I wish everyone would vote. Even if they don't agree with me politically. It's the one power everyone (except felons :/) has to control their fate.

correction. Except convicted felons. Politicians, businessmen, and celebrities vote all the time.

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Also police officers and military brass.

Any felon with money can also vote with their pocketbooks. So technically you can be a sex offender and just throw a few million at the party of your choice and BOOM you just got more than a few says in politics.
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