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[em1LL]

Hi all!

The goblin caravan just visited my fortress.



Why? What is it? I didn't saw it earlier.

Thanks in advance.

[Rum]

Your civ is at peace with the goblins

They will send caravans (though they are usually considered to have the worst caravans value wise of any of the races).

If you want to go back to war with them, kill a few of their diplomats and caravans.

[Witty]

Nope. Goblins can't send caravans because they have the babysnatcher tag

Outpost liaisons only come from your mother civ so it's just your civ that happens to have a goblin liaison.

[Deepblade]

I remember back long time ago getting a caravan from the goblins my people were at peace with. When did it change?

[Quietust]

Take a closer look at the civilization name - "Orminkot" is a Dwarven name, so that Goblin is your outpost liaison.

Back in 40d, Dwarven civilizations could have Elves for kings - having a Goblin be outpost liaison is nothing unusual.

I remember back long time ago getting a caravan from the goblins my people were at peace with. When did it change?

Either you were running some sort of mod, or it was an intermediate version where the "baby-snatcher means no caravans" logic was broken.

[Aristion]

On the wiki it says it is possible but nearly impossible for it to happen.

[Prudent Viper]

It's only possible if you remove the [BABYSNATCHER] tag to goblins, or add it to dwarves. Otherwise, goblins will be perpetually hostile.

[Foxite]

Nope. Goblins can't send caravans because they have the babysnatcher tag

Outpost liaisons only come from your mother civ so it's just your civ that happens to have a goblin liaison.

Nope... I had a human liaison arrive with a human caravan from a human civ, back in .34.11. Not my parent's civ.

Also, in practice, they don't send caravans nor liaisons due to the [BABYSNATCHER] tag, that's not actually the reason they don't send caravans. They don't send them because by default, goblins are hostile to all other civs, and when they are hostile, they don't send caravans. Also, they can't send caravans at all; their entity lacks the tags to make them construct caravans, although they can still send pack animals. But if you somehow manage to be at peace with them, which is virtually impossible, theoretically they would send pack animals and liasons.

[Saiko Kila]

When the king arrives, he brings the liaison with him (unlike diplomats, I have a goblin diplomat, but I've never seen him and don't expect that after the king already arrived). But I don't know if kings bring goblin liaisons. That would be humiliating - to fulfil goblin's requirements

[Quietust]

When the king arrives, he brings the liaison with him

Back in version 0.28.181.40d, the outpost liaison became the Royal Advisor when the King migrated to your fortress. Since version 0.31.01, that doesn't happen anymore (the liaison becoming advisor, not the king migrating).

Also, in practice, they don't send caravans nor liaisons due to the [BABYSNATCHER] tag, that's not actually the reason they don't send caravans. They don't send them because by default, goblins are hostile to all other civs, and when they are hostile, they don't send caravans.

I'm pretty sure all babysnatching civilizations are permanently hostile toward non-babysnatching civilizations, so the only way you could get Goblins to be peaceful toward you would be to either make them non-babysnatchers or to make dwarves babysnatchers.

Also, they can't send caravans at all; their entity lacks the tags to make them construct caravans, although they can still send pack animals.

You're confusing caravans with wagons - caravans consist of both wagons and pack animals, but wagons won't show up if the civilization is opposed to killing plants (which should only be the case for Elves) or if it doesn't have access to any wagon-pulling creatures (and Goblins can only use wagon-pullers if they are Evil or Subterranean, since they don't get access to any domestic creatures).