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MrCompassionate

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Cowardly Dorfs
« on: August 02, 2014, 07:58:56 am »

I need advice.

A mound of zombified horse skin, drenched in blood, pus and repulsive sludge, inches along the floor slowly. Ten Dwarves run back and forth approaching it and running away. Whether they are set to the military or not they run away endlessly. How do I get them to brave up before they dehydrate or starve? The food stockpile and water is on the other side of the skin

One dwarf did manage to slice a leg or two off before running away but it wasn't enough, it did make the thing come to a complete standstill though.
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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2014, 08:10:32 am »

You need to mod them to have natural discipline skill of at least 1.
If I remember correctly dwarfs train discipline while performing militia training - but I can't swear on that.

However you should consider that undead are reportedly vastly more powerful than in previous versions.
So your best chance might be to wall the undead hide in and dig an alternative route around it.
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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 01:20:31 pm »

You need to mod them to have natural discipline skill of at least 1.
If I remember correctly dwarfs train discipline while performing militia training - but I can't swear on that.

However you should consider that undead are reportedly vastly more powerful than in previous versions.
So your best chance might be to wall the undead hide in and dig an alternative route around it.

So I actually WAS hiding from zombies but I was trying to butcher a horse corpse now I did know it would come alive but I rather hoped the millitery would be able to kill it which they would have if they had actually tried. We were winning against it and everything.

Also unless it's fixed from .30 you can't actually train soldiers in this game anyway so I don't think millitia training would be possible.
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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2014, 01:25:47 pm »

You totally can train soldiers, and it works pretty well.

The skin is more like an inflated skin anyway. Watch out.
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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2014, 07:23:23 pm »

You need to mod them to have natural discipline skill of at least 1.
If I remember correctly dwarfs train discipline while performing militia training - but I can't swear on that.

However you should consider that undead are reportedly vastly more powerful than in previous versions.
So your best chance might be to wall the undead hide in and dig an alternative route around it.

All my Novice/Adequate Speardwarves, after ~four months of training, have Novice or better Discipline, so it looks like militia training does build their discipline skill.
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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 07:32:47 pm »

On the discipline training, you may want it for your ballista operators too...  The first shot I fired in anger left the operator paralyzed by horror for several seconds.  Which is to say, he had great aim
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krenshala

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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 08:28:51 pm »

Kobolds don't appear to have any discipline, as the first thief of my 0.40.05 fortress ran off crying when one of the war dogs at the entrance spotted him.  He hid at the top of a tree for the next six months.
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Zepave Dawnhogs the Butterfly of Vales the Marsh Titan ... was taken out by a single novice axedwarf and his pet war kitten. Long Live Domas Etasastesh Adilloram, slayer of the snow butterfly!
Doesn't quite have the ring of heroics to it...
Mother: "...and after the evil snow butterfly was defeated, Domas and his kitten lived happily ever after!"
Kids: "Yaaaay!"

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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2014, 09:21:49 pm »

The fun part is when you chop down the tree  :P
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krenshala

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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2014, 09:53:45 pm »

Yeah.  0.40.06 came out before i got around to that so I upgraded and started a new fortress instead.  I like to think that Jessop the cowardly kobold is still sitting up in that tree, though.
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Zepave Dawnhogs the Butterfly of Vales the Marsh Titan ... was taken out by a single novice axedwarf and his pet war kitten. Long Live Domas Etasastesh Adilloram, slayer of the snow butterfly!
Doesn't quite have the ring of heroics to it...
Mother: "...and after the evil snow butterfly was defeated, Domas and his kitten lived happily ever after!"
Kids: "Yaaaay!"

kingu

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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 09:40:30 am »

How and where can I view the discipline of a dwarf? I cant for the life of me find it in DT
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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2014, 10:08:30 am »

You need to mod them to have natural discipline skill of at least 1.
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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2014, 11:37:45 am »

How and where can I view the discipline of a dwarf? I cant for the life of me find it in DT

Its a skill, such as mining/hunting/gem cutting etc.
So it should be in that tab.

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Re: Cowardly Dorfs
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2014, 11:56:50 am »

How and where can I view the discipline of a dwarf? I cant for the life of me find it in DT

Its a skill, such as mining/hunting/gem cutting etc.
So it should be in that tab.

Nope. Bug perhaps?
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2014, 03:06:25 pm »

Then your dwarves might not have any ranks in it yet.   I don't have much experience with the newest version, but so so far through .40 my experience has been that novice or adequate discipline is needed to avoid your militia running away from normal things. Proficient discipline is insufficient for facing down the undead.   

So my advice is to get a militia, even a ramshackle one, up and running asap so that your militia can start training their discipline.  Once you get adequate, you can start sending them to the arena to fight.   I would advise a well-decorated arena, as well as barracks and dining rooms, and lots of high quality food and booze.   Untill your dwarves are battle-hardened to death, actually killing things could easily trigger a a break down in your dwarves, and when a militia dwarf goes berserk, it's a bad day.   

Actually fighting seems to give the best results, but has the negative of being VERY emotionally taxing for your dwarves.  While you can train discipline and combat skills by pitting a weaponless goblin against a recruit with no discipline, the danger of constantly running and doing dumb stuff is very likely to result in fun for your dwarf.

So again:
1)  Start training early
2) use traps to defend against the early attacks as much as possible, and cage anything you can.
3)  Once your dwarves are adequate or above, start the arena training.
4)  You now have a force of battle hardened dwarves. 

Multiple dwarves stand a better chance than 1 dwarf vs whatever, but 1 dwarf is less likely to be emotionally traumatized(killing and enemy will make him happy!).   Your call.   
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