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[Zemouregal]

I just witnessed a Kobold thief actually steal a constructed wall grate. How the heck did that happen? I mean, it was activated/open and I just don't know.

[XArgon]

Wow, never noticed anything like this happening...

On a related note:

"They left behind everything that was nailed down... I didn't." (C) Thief, "8-Bit Theatre"

[krenshala]

One of my favorite lines, but I don't remember what its from now.

If it's not nailed down, its mine.
If I can pry it up, its not nailed down.

[Solon64]

Is this for real?

I mean REAL reals?

This could change everything.  Since when has this been happening.  I have never seen nor heard of anything grabbing something that has been constructed, heck, that's the entire reason the Display Case mod exists, to make artifacts into constructions so they cant be stolen.

If this is true it needs science.  At what time does a thief steal a constructed object.  What constructed objects can be stolen (is it just wall grates?  Floor grates?  DOORS?!).  Are there conditions which must be fulfilled?


Frankly, I'm extremely skeptical and I suspect the wall grate in question was not in fact a constructed one, just a loose, unconstructed one sitting on the floor so it looked like a constructed one.  Perhaps a tantrumming dwarf broke it down or something, who knows.  Still, never heard of a wall grate being valuable enough that a thief wouldnt rather steal some other shiny trinket.

[Blastbeard]

I have to side with the 'it was just an unconstructed grate that looked constructed' argument out of sheer disbelief. This can't be true. it CAN'T. if it is, it's time to panic because a) our defenses can be compromised at any time without our knowing and b) Dwarf Fortress has attained self-awareness.

"Sir, the kobolds are stealing contructed items!"

"Raise the drawbridges and SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING."

"We can't, sir, they stole the drawbridges."

"MOTHER OF GOD."

[Bumber]

"That's it! Pull the doomsday lever!"
"We can't! They stole the lever... and all the magma!"

[Button]

Is there any chance a building destroyer might have gotten to it and you didn't notice? Troll, ogre, titan, demon?

[Quietust]

I'm looking at a disassembly of the item thievery code in version 0.34.11, and it explicitly ignores items which are tasked for jobs, parts of buildings/constructions, encased in stone, or on fire. Thus, I agree that this did not actually happen as described.

[Miuramir]

I'm looking at a disassembly of the item thievery code in version 0.34.11, and it explicitly ignores items which are tasked for jobs, parts of buildings/constructions, encased in stone, or on fire. Thus, I agree that this did not actually happen as described.

Interesting; that's a somewhat shorter list of exceptions than I'd expect.  Do other parts of the code (pathing?) prevent consideration, or would, say, a "valuable" artifact sitting in 2/7 magma be a potential "trap" for thieves? 

It also sounds like a side effect of the various "display case" buildings is that things displayed can't be stolen; which does make at least some sense. 

Do weapons equipped into a weapon trap count as "part of buildings/constructions" for this?

[Quietust]

Interesting; that's a somewhat shorter list of exceptions than I'd expect.  Do other parts of the code (pathing?) prevent consideration, or would, say, a "valuable" artifact sitting in 2/7 magma be a potential "trap" for thieves? 

I suspect the path checks would filter out high-temperature areas, but I'm not sure.

Do weapons equipped into a weapon trap count as "part of buildings/constructions" for this?

Yes, they do. However, I'm pretty sure items sitting in a workshop and awaiting stockpiling do not count as being part of a building.

[krenshala]

wouldn't it be considered an !!artifact!! if its in 2/7 magma?

[samanato]

Only if it's made of wood or suchlike, in which case it's an !!artifact!! forever because it never burns down.

[Urist Da Vinci]

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Do weapons equipped into a weapon trap count as "part of buildings/constructions" for this?

Yes, they do. However, I'm pretty sure items sitting in a workshop and awaiting stockpiling do not count as being part of a building.

If the embark wagon is a building, I recall Rhesus Macaques stealing stuff that was still inside.

[Larix]

There's a difference between contents of a building and parts of a building. The latter have the (B) tag behind them (*) in the i't'em view and afaik cannot be removed - they can only be released by destroying the building. Contents - the goods inside the wagon or products of a workshop - can be taken away (but are not subject to post-abandon scattering). A kobold cannot steal the anvil (B) a forge was built from, but could potentially nab an anvil smithed and still sitting in the forge.

From what i heard of it, items in a display case are not "stored" in it, but actually incorporated as (B)uilding parts, which would explain the theft-proofing.

Short version: what Quietust said.

* actually, it uses these brackets: [], but that just bolds the text in forum messages.