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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2014, 10:50:24 pm »

"Tame' means completely tame. They won't go wild. Ever. If its a wild animal that you trained, then it should say "Trained[Quality level of training]". The training will wear off eventually and they'll go wild again and need to be retrained. Either of them can be butchered safely unless the animal has killed dwarves.
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2014, 10:52:12 pm »

I think you might need to clarify what you're asking.
Tame animals can be butchered, yes. Wild animals can be killed by hunters or military dwarves and the corpses can be prepared for eating. Tame animals are fully tame. That's why they're called tame.

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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2014, 11:01:21 pm »

You two seem to be disagreeing with one another.

I want to know whether I have to FULLY tame an animal in order to be able to butcher it, or just the initial animal training success is enough to butcher it (not butcher its dead corpse - actually lead it alive to the butcher I mean.). Animal training confuses me so I was looking for a quick answer sorry.

Arc seems to be saying that you CAN butcher semi-tamed animals, and Insanity seems to be saying that you CAN'T and can only butcher completely tame animals.



(being alive or not makes all the difference to me, because I plan to mod said animals with both "special item corpse" and also "extra butchering objects" so that alive, you get drops, and if they die first, you  get a useless nothing.)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2014, 11:04:22 pm by GavJ »
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2014, 11:06:34 pm »

Simply: You can indeed butcher animals that are simply trained. If the animal has [trained] next to its name, it is butcherable.
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2014, 11:09:20 pm »

Humph. Not what I was hoping, but thank you.
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2014, 11:10:08 pm »

You CAN butcher semi-wild animals that have been badly trained by a low-level animal trainer. I do it all the time to keas that get stuck in my cage traps since I can't pit them to death. I train and then butcher them.
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2014, 07:43:21 am »

Part of the confusion is probably coming from using incorrect terminology.
Butchering is something that's done with corpses, which means that it cannot be done on tame creatures (and might even be impossible on trained creatures, but I haven't checked).
Slaughtering is something that's done with live creatures, and that can only be done on tame/trained creatures.
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2014, 08:46:22 am »

In a nutshell, if the animal is "semi-wild" or tamer, it can be led while alive to the butcher and then slaughtered. I have a trainer or two in my fortress and they are a major source of "food" by taming captured animals so that they can be butchered.
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2014, 10:00:38 am »

I have a trainer or two in my fortress and they are a major source of "food" by taming captured animals so that they can be butchered slaughtered.

I'm pretty sure it's real food, not "food". ;)
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2014, 11:25:16 am »

When you eat "food" you are required to make air quotes and wink across the table before you begin.
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2014, 03:04:24 am »

But then everyone just thinks you're part of a weird cannibal cult.
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Re: Is "tame" for butchery just not completely wild? Or fully tamed?
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2014, 01:54:48 pm »

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