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Tomsod

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Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« on: January 29, 2014, 10:15:52 am »

...and that's even before the first migrant wave! Minding the Shaft of Enlightenment glitch, I now have 40% of my fortress population legendary. Sweet. Here's what happened:
Before I started the fort, I made an adventurer to create an emergency heap of some items, mostly for early moods: giraffe horns, dragon bones, ☼adamantine long swords☼ and so on. Among them was some fat from a roc I killed. I got greedy and decided to multiply it, using the old liquid cloning trick - in this case, I melted the fat by igniting a nearby tree. (!!Science!!, yeah.) A minecart borrowed from preparation fortress held a total of 833 roc grease, enough for some small soap tower I guess. I decided against making more.
So now I just got through the process of processing my starting supplies and re-claiming the pile left by the adventurer (for some reason the candy swords got this way are unequippable by military until you run them through some job like encrusting or melting - it doesn't have to be completed though) and what's left was that pile of fat. About time to do something with it lest it rots. My cook painfully slowly carried the glob to the kitchen, then I prepared to wait forever until he is done with it. Surprisingly it took no time at all, and I got an announcement stating that Unib Alathumstiz has become a Cook. But wasn't he already? Actually, he was both Proficient in Cook and Tanner, so I presumed he got 6th level at last? Then I notice he's flashing. Then I open DT and see he's Legendary +5. Then I flip out.
Someday, in the center of newly founded dwarven outpost there will be a temple made exclusively of roc soap. In the center of it there will be kitchen of Unib Boltsizzle, the Cook, the Enlightened by the spirit of great bird. And no one, not a lowly hauler in this settlement will have less than ecstatic thoughts form a meal they last ate. But it's not for now. Today we must carve bedrooms and produce something for our first caraven to trade. ...Maybe it will be prepared meals.

tl;dr: Rendering huge stacks of fat quickly gives equally huge amounts of experience. Breeding giant sperm whales suddenly has one more benefit.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2014, 12:53:23 pm by Tomsod »
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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 11:30:07 am »

According to wiki a adult GSW has 1260-1525 units of fat. Other creatures that have more than 100 but no more than 300 fat are whales and rocs.

Dragons are largest creatures on land but rocs have about five times as much meat and fat. I guess they are full of hot air.
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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 12:00:49 pm »

Could you describe the method you used to multiply the fat? If it is what I think it is, it might be possible to replicate in dwarf mode, but I can't try that because my search-fu skills are not good enough to find anything about the liquid cloning exploit you referred to.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2014, 12:12:22 pm by HmH »
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Tomsod

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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2014, 12:36:44 pm »

Could you describe the method you used to multiply the fat? If it is what I think it is, it might be possible to replicate in dwarf mode, but I can't try that because my search-fu skills are not good enough to find anything about the liquid cloning exploit you referred to.
Sure. Basically, any container can be refilled to its full from any pool/pile of liquid/powder on the ground. It's also described here. You can get a pool of water if you empty your waterskin, and you can get a pool of grease if you leave fat in hot place, wait until it melts, then pick it up and drop back.
Also I just remembered that I used a minecart, not a backpack, as a container. Obviously I couldn't have possibly fitted 833 units into the latter.
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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 01:43:34 pm »

First Shaft of Enlightenment, now Fat of Enlightenment, I wonder what's gonna be next? Stone of Enlightenment?
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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2014, 01:55:15 pm »

Could you describe the method you used to multiply the fat? If it is what I think it is, it might be possible to replicate in dwarf mode, but I can't try that because my search-fu skills are not good enough to find anything about the liquid cloning exploit you referred to.
Sure. Basically, any container can be refilled to its full from any pool/pile of liquid/powder on the ground. It's also described here. You can get a pool of water if you empty your waterskin, and you can get a pool of grease if you leave fat in hot place, wait until it melts, then pick it up and drop back.
Also I just remembered that I used a minecart, not a backpack, as a container. Obviously I couldn't have possibly fitted 833 units into the latter.
Oh, you were talking about that one. Shame. It's not the sort that can be done in Fortress mode.

Speaking of Shaft of Enlightenment: look at your legendary cook's stats. Is his Agility high? Cooking should train Agility, Creativity, Kinesthetic Sense and Analytical Ability; if his Agility is still low even after he became Legendary, then that says some interesting things about the nature of attribute gains.

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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2014, 02:11:23 pm »

He should have no substantial attribute gain. Attributes are gained based on the amount of time spent on a task, not based on the difficulty or complexity of the task itself (which DOES determine experience gain).
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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 06:40:50 pm »

FBs will also boost your cooks' XP nicely. Usually you get about 50-80 fat from an FB, but I've seen as low as 20-something and as high as 146. If you don't have any stockpiles for the created tallow, you can then order the cook to make biscuits and they'll use up all the tallow in the kitchen before looking elsewhere.
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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2014, 08:56:01 pm »

First Shaft of Enlightenment, now Fat of Enlightenment, I wonder what's gonna be next? Stone of Enlightenment?

I can see it now... Cheese of enlightenment. Think of it!
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Re: Rendering some fat instantly made my cook Legendary +5
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 04:12:22 am »

Speaking of Shaft of Enlightenment: look at your legendary cook's stats. Is his Agility high? Cooking should train Agility, Creativity, Kinesthetic Sense and Analytical Ability; if his Agility is still low even after he became Legendary, then that says some interesting things about the nature of attribute gains.
I have a save about before the incident, and since then his cooking-related stats had changed only about +30 each:
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Considering I have changed attribute gain speeds in the raws, that's not much.
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