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[Draignean]

Back in a more civilised age, we'd just row gogis and Knight of Fools out to an island and only one would return alive. None of this pansy-ass "my studies are better than your studies" science bullshit. One man is stronger, and he survives. My money would be on gogis.

Again, good enthusiasm, but the fact that I'm six and a half feet tall and quite capable of beating the shit out of pretty much any nutrition specialist on OSU staff does not mean that my ideas are superior. I'm also pretty certain that civilized has a z in it.
As an additional point, the phrase "science bullshit" makes me want to kill you a little.

KoF, Gogis, everyone who reads this thread has seen your respective points. The fact that both of you can go back and forth saying, "Uh-huh, 'cuz evidence!" and "Nuh-uh, 'cuz science!" is impressive, however, it's not exactly furthering the discussion.

Now. My weight loss has sort of plateaued to roughly 1lb per week, which is slower than I'd like.

I have a very limited time frim to do workouts, etc. in, so should I,
A. Work on cutting food back a little farther. (Currently consuming ~ 1 footlong artichoke sandwich per diem, or a cordon bleu of similar length on plasma donation days)
B. Increase 'Quick' workouts like morning push-ups
C. Try to find time (another 30 minutes) in the evening to start running more sprints.

[Eidolon]

Now. My weight loss has sort of plateaued to roughly 1lb per week, which is slower than I'd like.

This is pretty typical, and is more or less what you should expect after cutting for a while. You're playing a game of patience now. It's tempting to modify what you're doing; to eat a little less, to push in a little more exercise, and hope to see faster results. What I would recommend is continuing with what you are currently doing, assuming you are being disciplined and not slacking (you'd know), and collect data on your progress for at least 4 weeks. If you truly are losing roughly 1 pound a week, and you are maintaining that rate; you are doing exactly what you need to be doing right now, don't change a thing. Rapid loss of weight usually only indicates one thing: most of the weight being lost isn't fat; it's also muscle, water, glycogen etc.

Give yourself a perspective check on what 1lb of fat actually looks like. Here's a good video, first one from my google search: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozt-V0PPJaw
I'm not going to go fabulous status, but I agree with what she's saying here.

Otherwise, if you collect data and it points to you not losing any more fat, then i'd say cut back just very slightly (maybe 300 calories). Keep in mind that if you're getting good exercise that builds muscle, your "weightloss" may slow but your bodyfat may still decrease, as you lose fat and gain muscle. You could also add more exercise, but it can be difficult to recover when you're already at a deficit in calories.

currently consuming ~ 1 footlong artichoke sandwich per diem

I don't like this and would prefer that you eat a more varied diet, but I understand habits are hard to break. Please consider changing this though. At least throw some kale in that sandwich (hell, i don't know what you have in it, but I ate subway everyday for like a month and the thought of eating a sandwich everyday just freaks me out now).
Here's an infographic so I feel useful.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The 1g protein per lb bodyweight isn't necessary but it'll certainly help if you're trying to build muscle or just retain as much as possible. Protein is also very satiating, compared to carbohydrates.

Anyways, glad to hear you're still working on it. Keep it up.

[Tiruin]

Jogging is outright dangerous for overweight people. Weight ligting is not. How this could be hard to grasp?

...Jogging is not outright dangerous for overweight people >_> I think I'm missing your context-but when you state something in an exact way as this, my medical senses go haywire and blaspheme you. Yeah, med student here.

Anyway.

Now. My weight loss has sort of plateaued to roughly 1lb per week, which is slower than I'd like.

I have a very limited time frim to do workouts, etc. in, so should I,
A. Work on cutting food back a little farther. (Currently consuming ~ 1 footlong artichoke sandwich per diem, or a cordon bleu of similar length on plasma donation days)
B. Increase 'Quick' workouts like morning push-ups
C. Try to find time (another 30 minutes) in the evening to start running more sprints.

...Stop cutting back on food, and eat three square meals a day and balance the food intake during those times {generally speaking--this is dependent on your needs, and you may skip meals. Just watch how much you eat, and what you eat} (I assume that what you meant by cutting down on food meant eating less than 3 meals. Skimmed the thread for your posts..which seem to be lacking :/) Cutting down on food, while in theory would lead to lesser weight gain (or..something along that line) also leads to deprivation of nutrients which the body needs--this usually causes an offset of hunger or you needing to eat more in what little times you have, and when I say deprivation of nutrients, this means every aspect of the human body. It's bad.

Making 'quick' workouts like push-ups...somehow destabilizes the essence of push-ups. Which parts of the body is the fat located is where, usually, exercise must be performed (as far as I've researched on the matter).

> Always find time for a goal. You cannot achieve a goal by rushing, or by haste, or by supplementary workouts which seem to work superficially.

Are you keeping watch of what you eat and in what quantities? Are you exercising to the point of fatigue or stress? Did you try intermittent fasting?

[Eidolon]

Which parts of the body is the fat located is where, usually, exercise must be performed (as far as I've researched on the matter).

Sorry, I have to go out of my way to refute this. Spot reduction is a myth, you don't lose more fat from the area you exercise in any useful amount. It's one of the most common misconceptions, and as such needs to be squashed wherever it shows up.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17596787
A response to a study that showed increased lipolysis when adjacent muscle tissue was worked:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/are-blood-flow-and-lipolysis-in-subcutaneous-adipose-tissue-influenced-by-contractions-in-adjacent-muscle-in-humans-research-review.html
McDonald is a bit controversial and I don't like how he plugs his book in the article, but he provides the data from the study so you can think for yourself while still giving a good analysis. Here's the full text of the study, if you'd like it
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/292/2/E394
It also refers to some other studies on the matter in the introduction.

I'm not trying to start a shitflinging contest here, just providing some sources, make your own minds up.

> Always find time for a goal. You cannot achieve a goal by rushing, or by haste, or by supplementary workouts which seem to work superficially.

I agree.

...Jogging is not outright dangerous for overweight people >_> I think I'm missing your context-but when you state something in an exact way as this, my medical senses go haywire and blaspheme you. Yeah, med student here.

Jogging can be pretty high-impact, especially if you don't know how to have proper form, and being overweight simply introduces more force to the equation. It's something each individual has to try to see if they can perform it safely because it depends on a lot of factors. OP is already performing sprints, and hasn't complained about joint pain, shin splints etc so i'm assuming he can handle it. Lifting weights isn't always high-impact and can be performed safely for most overweight people (most people in general, really), barring existing injury and given the capacity to learn correct form. I'll stay out of the argument about which is better because OP seems to have chosen his routine already.

How come we don't have a fitness and lifting thread? Seems like there's plenty of interest here.

[Draignean]

...Stop cutting back on food, and eat three square meals a day

Hah, I'd love to do this Tiruin. Really would. I believe I actually mentioned that I managed to do this earlier, when I wasn't living in a dorm, being bombarded with classwork. My schedule isn't conducive to eating a good 3-meal system. I'm not 'free' until after 3-5PM depending on what day of the week it is. 

The only place where I can get food at that hour that isn't fried is the Which-Wich in my dorm's lobby. It's a 75 minute walk, round trip, to the nearest Wally-world, and my dorm fridge actively sucks. I could buy food from the general store on campus, but that stuff is so bloody overpriced that I honestly could not afford to eat well from those purchases. (You know the scene in airplane, "25 bucks for a cigarette is too much"? That's kinda how it is, except with jerky instead of cigarettes.)

Add that into the raw amount of time that it takes to eat three square meals a day, and I'm kinda just thinking I should work around my one rather oblong meal. 

Making 'quick' workouts like push-ups...somehow destabilizes the essence of push-ups. Which parts of the body is the fat located is where, usually, exercise must be performed (as far as I've researched on the matter).

> Always find time for a goal. You cannot achieve a goal by rushing, or by haste, or by supplementary workouts which seem to work superficially.

Are you keeping watch of what you eat and in what quantities? Are you exercising to the point of fatigue or stress? Did you try intermittent fasting?

I'm not sure you understand what I mean by 'quick'. Push-ups are quick because after a you finish a set, you've finished a set and you can go do other things. If you jog a mile (which I can't do in a continuous stretch without sounding like a dying walrus), you have to be in the correct clothing, switch out of the correct clothing when you're done, and probably take a shower if you want to be human afterward. Jogging a mile everyday is something that I don't have time for. Doing an extra five or ten one minute sprints, adding 25 reps to morning and evening pushups, that I have time for. Jogging a mile would be better for me, but it isn't something that I can fit in.

I watch what I eat in the loosest sense. Logic goes something like this; Does it look vaguely healthy? Is it relatively low in empty calories? Does it incorporate at least three of those 'food groups' I keep hearing about? Eat it.

(Editting in because tab-enter doesn't do what my reflexes think it should do.)

I do not regularly exercise to the point of either fatigue or stress. I exercise to the point of schedule.

I do not intermittently fast. Unless you count eating once every 24 hours as intermittent fasting.

[gogis]

Jogging is outright dangerous for overweight people. Weight ligting is not. How this could be hard to grasp?

...Jogging is not outright dangerous for overweight people >_> I think I'm missing your context-but when you state something in an exact way as this, my medical senses go haywire and blaspheme you. Yeah, med student here.

Jogging, any running is hard pressure to your joints. I hade severe back problems playing soccer. I had knee problems. I was in my 20s back then btw. When I had stopped I had none. Doing weightlifting, btw. When you do it right, even barbell deadlift/squat is docile. You can't be serious saying that running is not stressing your joints. And now imagine you have some extra hundred pounds on your skeleton to spice it up?

[gogis]

Currently consuming ~ 1 footlong artichoke sandwich per diem, or a cordon bleu of similar length on plasma donation days

And stop eating bread

[Aseaheru]

What kinda bread? Cant get rid of ALL bread. Just make sure the bread is whole wheat/equivalent.

Also, when you have to walk anywhere try running. If needed keep a bar of deodorant on you?

[Andrew425]

I remember when I was training really hard for something. It took me months to get myself fit and in decent shape, always staying around 195-200. This was with about 9 1 hour workouts a week. Then about two weeks before my competition I suddenly went down to 185.

It wasn't that I was training any harder, its just that it finally kicked in and I lost all the excess fat on my body. So just keep doing what you're doing and eventually you'll get there.

[Eidolon]

I remember when I was training really hard for something. It took me months to get myself fit and in decent shape, always staying around 195-200. This was with about 9 1 hour workouts a week. Then about two weeks before my competition I suddenly went down to 185.

Mind if I ask what you were competing for? Just curious. 

[Tiruin]

Currently consuming ~ 1 footlong artichoke sandwich per diem, or a cordon bleu of similar length on plasma donation days

And stop eating bread

...The specificity without any context doesn't help.

...Stop cutting back on food, and eat three square meals a day

Hah, I'd love to do this Tiruin. Really would. I believe I actually mentioned that I managed to do this earlier, when I wasn't living in a dorm, being bombarded with classwork. My schedule isn't conducive to eating a good 3-meal system. I'm not 'free' until after 3-5PM depending on what day of the week it is. 

The only place where I can get food at that hour that isn't fried is the Which-Wich in my dorm's lobby. It's a 75 minute walk, round trip, to the nearest Wally-world, and my dorm fridge actively sucks. I could buy food from the general store on campus, but that stuff is so bloody overpriced that I honestly could not afford to eat well from those purchases. (You know the scene in airplane, "25 bucks for a cigarette is too much"? That's kinda how it is, except with jerky instead of cigarettes.)

Add that into the raw amount of time that it takes to eat three square meals a day, and I'm kinda just thinking I should work around my one rather oblong meal. 

Alright Have you been taking down what you eat and the calorie load on such? It would help to watch what you eat given how any exercise accomplishes the burning of such, evenly.

Jogging is outright dangerous for overweight people. Weight ligting is not. How this could be hard to grasp?

...Jogging is not outright dangerous for overweight people >_> I think I'm missing your context-but when you state something in an exact way as this, my medical senses go haywire and blaspheme you. Yeah, med student here.

Jogging, any running is hard pressure to your joints. I hade severe back problems playing soccer. I had knee problems. I was in my 20s back then btw. When I had stopped I had none. Doing weightlifting, btw. When you do it right, even barbell deadlift/squat is docile. You can't be serious saying that running is not stressing your joints. And now imagine you have some extra hundred pounds on your skeleton to spice it up?

The case is mostly subjective here. Yes, any exercise gives pressure.

Which parts of the body is the fat located is where, usually, exercise must be performed (as far as I've researched on the matter).

Sorry, I have to go out of my way to refute this. Spot reduction is a myth, you don't lose more fat from the area you exercise in any useful amount. It's one of the most common misconceptions, and as such needs to be squashed wherever it shows up.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17596787
A response to a study that showed increased lipolysis when adjacent muscle tissue was worked:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/are-blood-flow-and-lipolysis-in-subcutaneous-adipose-tissue-influenced-by-contractions-in-adjacent-muscle-in-humans-research-review.html
McDonald is a bit controversial and I don't like how he plugs his book in the article, but he provides the data from the study so you can think for yourself while still giving a good analysis. Here's the full text of the study, if you'd like it
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/292/2/E394
It also refers to some other studies on the matter in the introduction.

I'm not trying to start a shitflinging contest here, just providing some sources, make your own minds up.

Not aiming for that kind of contest either D: what you say here is fully true...and I really messed up my wording. I was thinking about the title and..well, muscle development and...yeah. It's a train of thought that got tangled a long time earlier.

How's it going Draignean?

[Andrew425]

I remember when I was training really hard for something. It took me months to get myself fit and in decent shape, always staying around 195-200. This was with about 9 1 hour workouts a week. Then about two weeks before my competition I suddenly went down to 185.

Mind if I ask what you were competing for? Just curious. 

It was the CSSRA or what we considered the Nationals for rowing.

So what is the consensus on food? I've always kinda believed that I could eat what I wanted as long as I did a long hard workout. I guess my question is will doing this slow me down from becoming fit again or halt me all together?

[Tiruin]

I remember when I was training really hard for something. It took me months to get myself fit and in decent shape, always staying around 195-200. This was with about 9 1 hour workouts a week. Then about two weeks before my competition I suddenly went down to 185.

Mind if I ask what you were competing for? Just curious. 

It was the CSSRA or what we considered the Nationals for rowing.

So what is the consensus on food? I've always kinda believed that I could eat what I wanted as long as I did a long hard workout. I guess my question is will doing this slow me down from becoming fit again or halt me all together?

Watch what you eat and in what quantity if you aim for a certain 'shape'. Check the calories and then check your workout.

[Astral]

Calories and amount matter more than the what, is what I've found. When you're working out, especially lifting, you obviously want a bit more protein in your diet. The occasional fast food meal won't hurt, either. I've managed to (mostly) break my soda addiction, which was acquired over three and a half years of working in what was essentially fast food, where I could get free drinks (mainly for the caffeine) at any point in time.

The biggest pitfall to watch out for is just that fast food packs a lot of calories and sodium into (usually) a smaller amount of food than it would be otherwise filling for a decent meal.

So far, I've determined my intake to range from 2000 to 2500 a day (approximately 500 for breakfast, 1000 for "lunch" at ~8pm, 500 or so from peanuts and green tea as snacks/caffeine, and maybe 500 for dinner if I feel like eating, which I normally do not after a workout).

I'm not saying you should be counting every dust spec worth of calories, but it helps a LOT to have an idea of what's going in and what's going out, since at its core losing weight is just basic math, but some things make it more difficult to track both, such as non-listed calorie counts (if you eat out a lot), snacking habits, and anaerobic exercises (or anything that requires your body to rest and repair after doing).