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[mek42]

Caravan nation go to war when too many of their traders die on your fort space, right?  Does the method of their death accelerate getting to war?  Meaning direct military action vs. pulling the wrong lever by mistake and drowning them?

[kingubu]

Wiki claims that killing traders will eventually lead to war, but I've murdered moutains of elves and never been sieged by them.  Except when embarking already at war.

[EvilBob22]

I've been attacked by humans after letting too many human traders die.  The next Summer though, a diplomat came looking for peace.

[kingubu]

I've been attacked by humans after letting too many human traders die.  The next Summer though, a diplomat came looking for peace.

How many traders was it, do you think?  It's been a couple of (real world) years since I tried to get the elves to fight me, but I might try again if I knew it wasn't like 20 (in game) years to start a war.

[AutomataKittay]

I suspect it might be lost profit threshold, elves doesn't usually bring as much high value material as humans would ( metal and all that ) and much less stuff without wagons. At least that'd explain all the complaints of elves not ambushing and humans springing with just a couple lost caravans.

Killing diplomats are much more reliable, but it takes modding or a utility to get elves to bring one.

And on method of death, nope. At least not that I could tell since I've gotten human siege from their caravan being ambushed by goblins. Haven't had any elf ambush-siege despite losing a LOT more elven caravans though.

[mek42]

Wait, is it the death of the traders or the claiming of the stuff that upsets the other civs?  Wouldn't it be interesting if different races had different opinions of this - humans, stuff; elves, life; dwarfs, both, but less stuff needed to incite war than humans and more loss of life needed than elves.

[Oaktree]

If you want sieges and stuff from usually "allied" civs the best way is usually to kill their diplomats rather than muck up their caravans.  Since the humans set one in default every year it's not too hard.  And they will send more to make peace overtures - which you can accept to get peace, or ignore to continue the war.

If you want to start messing with the elves it would probably be easier to use something like dfhack to restart the elf diplomat wanting tree cutting agreements and murder him than worry about repeatedly messing with the elf traders "just enough" to trigger a fight.  You also then have less dropped trader junk to deal with as well.

I think even without wanting to I end up sieged by the humans a few times per fortress.  Usually a diplomat entering, and then a goblin siege showing up right afterwards and almost immediately killing him.  Your fortress gets the blame of course.  And things escalate from there.

[Snaake]

Kill the elf traders by flooding your trade depot area with magma (build the depot magma-proof, of course). No trader junk to deal with, although this will also indiscriminately destroy any nice animals they might bring, if you don't remember to trade with then first.

[Deus Asmoth]

The only time I've ever gotten someone to declare war on me was when I killed their porcupine demon law giver, and they still asked for peace next summer. I've even built a tower out of elf soap without them attacking me.